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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

He keeps saying that he KNOWS that Brodie can't do what people are asking of him. How does he KNOW that's true?

Brodie can't throw down the field? Is that what he's saying?

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

He keeps saying that he KNOWS that Brodie can't do what people are asking of him. How does he KNOW that's true?

What he sees in practice???

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Brodie can't throw down the field? Is that what he's saying?

Basically. "We aren't going to go crazy."

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

What he sees in practice???

So he extrapolates that to a game scenario?

**Buzz** · 11-20-2007, 12:45 PM

For all you that are bashing DV I remember a time when the Chiefs were 13-0 and the East and West cost media were talking about us going 16-0. I would rather have a team that could score and make it interesting than a team that cant score a friggn field goal.

RedThat · 11-20-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

Basically. "We aren't going to go crazy."

It's all a part of the plan. It's just to back up his conservative approach to the game. Brodie will never grow with this guy.

Micjones · 11-20-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

Failure is always an option.
That's simply not an excuse for not trying.

Chiefs_5627 · 11-20-2007, 12:48 PM

I think Herm needs to let loose more..no doubt, BUT i also think that there are other factors involved and it's not JUST one thing.

My .02

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

So he extrapolates that to a game scenario?

Up until last week probably. Now knowing herm and his MO it will take him till the rest of the regular season to figure out what many can see now. Herm is conservitive to a T. I don't expect him to let Brodie go wild on his first or second start in the NFL.

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:49 PM

"We need to play to our strengths, and our strength is playing defense."

He then complains about not scoring many points.

Okay, I'm a football reerun, but even I can see the problem here...

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

You mean you are compairing a 2nd round pick couch that in 5 years got his team to 1 playoof game in which they lost to a 4th round coach that in his first year got to a playoff game and lost. Seem to me we got more of a deal on Herm than Dick.

I would end this part of your discussion right now. This is a no win situation if you want to compair draft picks.

kcnut, is that you?

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefanatic

For all you that are bashing DV I remember a time when the Chiefs were 13-0 and the East and West cost media were talking about us going 16-0. I would rather have a team that could score and make it interesting than a team that cant score a friggn field goal.

Some like offense some like defense but unless you want to go far in the playoffs you must have defense and during that 13-0 season I think that was more than evident.

RedThat · 11-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donger

"We need to play to our strengths, and our strength is playing defense."

He then complains about not scoring many points.

Okay, I'm a football reerun, but even I can see the problem here...

he should just be a defensive coordinator if his mind is so fixated towards defense. I think that makes more sense.

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

yep, they shouldn't even try to win.

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:53 PM

Herm looked like the proverbial deer in the the headlights when he was asked, "You're 31st in rushing, so how are you going to win the game?"

This guy really is an idiot. For a while, I had hoped it was just a clever ploy.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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