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Plus I like the fact that Newton seemed to elevate his receiver's game. Steve Smith hadn't had a thousand yard season in years prior to Cam's arrival. His first year in Carolina propelled Steve back into that near-elite category. Greg Olsen was just doing OK and pretty much immediately he became a premier TE. The Panthers just never really surrounded him with great receiving talent. When Kelvin Benjamin, Ted Ginn and Devin Funchess are the best of the scrubs you've been throwing to, it's gotta be tough to settle in and become a truly great passer. |
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I would say Cam's arm was a lot stronger than Lamar's. Cam's raw arm strength is fairly similar to Mahomes. Obviously Cam has never had the accuracy or field vision or ability to read defenses like Mahomes. But he had the physical talent. Lamar has pretty questionable arm strength IMHO.
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Cam was one of the most physically gifted QBs to ever come out, IMO. His arm was a cannon, you couldn't have asked for better size or a more perfect build, and he was fast as shit.
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I've said that I think Lamar Jackson is one of the most natural runners I've ever seen. He's impressive when he tucks it, but his arm is nothing special. I don't think even the staunchest Jackson defender would argue that his game from pocket doesn't leave a lot to be desired.
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I've said for years that accuracy comes down to repeatability and repeatability comes down to biomechanics. If you look at it from that perspective, then accuracy is a 'physical gift' in the same way short area quickness is. It's either something your body is blessed with or it isn't. You can't really do a hell of a lot to fix it - all you can do is disguise it through play-calling. Cam simply never had much in the way of accuracy. He had the arm strenght to get the ball to places most guys couldn't and allow his WRs to adjust over the flight path and make plays on the ball. But shorter throws is where you see true precision come to play because there's just not enough flight for WRs to save marginal passes. That's why Brees and Brady have been so damn good as short passers - they are razor precise and so they can implement that short passing attack in a way few others can (especially combined with mental processing). Cam Newton's sporadic accuracy would've made it virtually impossible for him to be a truly elite short passer. He simply couldn't run something like a WCO. And because of that, he's easier to adjust to and eventually figure out. While he had a great deal many 'splash' gifts; the kinds of things that show out loudly in a combine, for example - he lacked the biomechanics for the repeatable deliveries that could've made him an accurate passer and thus a more difficult QB to adjust to.
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And I guess you'd have to make the distinction between those who's accuracy issues are clearly a result of poor mechanics (like a Stafford) and a guy who just can't seem to hit the broad side of a barn (like a Josh Allen). I'm not sure where Cam falls on that spectrum. I've never been a fan of his throwing motion, that's for sure. |
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Reid got especially good at upping the reward on his throws without signficiantly upping the risk, thus making the expected ROI higher for him. He's a letter-perfect example of the kind of guy who simply never had the physical tools to be an accurate passer but who could be worked around. Stafford is, IMO, more accurate than he gets credit for. When he'll just calm the !@#$ down and throw the ball, he generally throws it where he wants to. He's a guy who lets his brain sabotage him because he's just so damn aggressive even when discretion would've been the better part of valor. Some of his improvements came from simply knowing where to go with the ball and being more willing to take what he had instead of force passes that he didn't. Ultimately that's why I wonder exactly what kind of ceiling Jackson has left. He MAKES smart decisions with the ball. His ego doesn't have him out there writing checks his arm can't cash so he can complete a nice percentage of balls by simply making the right throw. So in a lot of ways I'd rather have a guy like Stafford who's processing CAN improve to a point that he's a genuinely dangerous passer. Jackson, OTOH, just can't make decisions much better than he's presently making them. He goes where he should with the ball. But when he's asked to make difficult throws in tough spots, he just doesn't have the tools to make 'em.
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This is an interesting discussion (with a few glaring exceptions) ...
Generally, I use my eyes rather than stats when evaluating a QB. That's why I haven't been as impressed with Deshaun Wishkins as most people are. People talk about Mahomes' "surrounding cast" all the time, but where would Wishkins be without Hopkins, I ask you? I'm not a stats guy, but my guess is that Hopkins is personally responsible for 40% of Wishkins' QBR. Besides being very selective in my choice of peyote button dealers, if I've learned one thing in my life it's looking for the Larry Bird Clutch Gene in a QB. If your guy has that, you're in better shape. With that in mind, there's really only one current QB I'd take if I couldn't have Mahomes and it's Russell Wilson. You can keep your Cams and your Jacksons and your Vicks ... give me the guy who can get you the 2-minute drive TD when you absolutely need it. We Chiefs fans are very fortunate in that respect. FAX |
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The other legitimately great QB's are all old. That includes Rodgers, who has really showed signs of aging the last couple years. The others are flat-out ancient (Brady/Brees). |
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Damn straight! **** Skip Bayless.
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Lamar has peaked.
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I always kind of wondered early in the season when Jackson was throwing those flip passes 50 yards downfield on a dime - is this really repeatable?
I had the same concerns over Mahomes flip passes - which were usually because he didn't have time/space to make his full delivery. And unlike last season, this season a lot of those missed the mark. But at the same time I also felt 100% confidence Mahomes would work to fix his delivery/footwork/movement in the pocket - to be more sound whenever he could. I think Lamar will also work his ass off to fix his issues and I'm not going to sweat a pro-bowl skills challenge when the dude is probably still reeling at how his season ended and would rather be pretty much anywhere else (but you can't turn down your first pro-bowl). But yeah the big question is how much of his accuracy problem is fixable. I guess we'll find out. One thing I know is the QBs I always feared were the ones like Manning, Elway, and now Mahomes - who could lead a huge comeback. Jackson has yet to prove he can be in that category. |
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What's the problem here? Other teams can and do have good quarterbacks.
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