RB has an argument for being our biggest team need

[RunKC]

Man it’s bad. Like really bad. Really really really bad.

The Chiefs have the least explosive RB room in the NFL. Only 17 explosive plays from RB’s. Pacheco is the most explosive guy, and he’s been a good soldier here, but he’s not the guy. Excellent change of pace back, but his vision is bad and his lateral agility isn’t good either.

I love Kareem but he’s winding down. He’s 30 next year and you could see the wheels start to come off with usage.

I think we should consider a RB rd 1 if the board gets dicey, but ideally we sign someone like Ty Johnson from Buffalo. Also to preface this I think LT is numero uno for us and this is a scenario where one is just not attainable.

Everyone gets so mad at this offense and blames coaching but the pieces have just not been there. The truth is this team badly misses Jerrick McKinnon. They’ve gotten some of that from Perine but it’s just not enough.

We got 1 TD from a RB in the passing game this year. Compare that to:

2023: 7
2022: 12
2021: 5

Major major drop in production there that has killed the offense. I see these playoff teams with quality backs and it’s helped them tremendously.

Getting an explosive, dynamic playmaking RB has to be a major priority. It could change the entire offense and help soften the blow of losing Kelce (eventually) and working on LT

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What do you guys want for a RB? I feel like there isn't some major consensus, and there's so much to like in this class that it also leads to a large variance.

Coming into this I thought most people wanted an electric playmaker to compliment Pacheco. There are not too many of those. Hendrickson, Sampson, Tuten, Harvey, and Blue probably top out the list.

But I really see a lot of people liking some other backs that are more of your two-down thumper and some that are a bit more complete but are going to lack that homerun threat primarily. There are a lot of those 2-down guys and frankly, taking these guys I'd just as much rather take a guy in round 7 than take one in round 2.

I see very few where I feel like they are an every-down back and then you, generally, lose that electric component. I think of these guys as more of your Jeanty, Hampton, Skattebo, and Neal types.

So what do you guys want to see? An every-down replacement for Pacheco going forward? More of a complimentary speed demon that functions on 3rd down?

Basically, I want RJ Harvey.

Lol

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Basically, I want RJ Harvey.

Lol

Would you scream when Reid won't play him on 3rd down?

[bigjosh]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What do you guys want for a RB? I feel like there isn't some major consensus, and there's so much to like in this class that it also leads to a large variance.

Coming into this I thought most people wanted an electric playmaker to compliment Pacheco. There are not too many of those. Hendrickson, Sampson, Tuten, Harvey, and Blue probably top out the list.

But I really see a lot of people liking some other backs that are more of your two-down thumper and some that are a bit more complete but are going to lack that homerun threat primarily. There are a lot of those 2-down guys and frankly, taking these guys I'd just as much rather take a guy in round 7 than take one in round 2.

I see very few where I feel like they are an every-down back and then you, generally, lose that electric component. I think of these guys as more of your Jeanty, Hampton, Skattebo, and Neal types.

So what do you guys want to see? An every-down replacement for Pacheco going forward? More of a complimentary speed demon that functions on 3rd down?

I like pacheco.

Pacheco should not be the primary back, and to me a guy like hampton would put pacheco where he belongs on an nfl depth chart as a change of pace back.


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[Couch-Potato]

To answer Crow's question I want a lighting strike back.

I'm right there with RunKC in that I gravitate towards Sampson, Tuten, Giddins, Harvey, Smith, and Blue but also like the tops guys if we're somehow in position or willing to grab one like Jeanty (impossible), Hampton, Johnson, or Henderson. I'd also throw Neal into the mix and a few others... basically it's a really exciting year for RBs and I'm stoked to see who we get.

How disappointed would you be if we didn't take a RB though!?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

To answer Crow's question I want a lighting strike back.

I'm right there with RunKC in that I gravitate towards Sampson, Tuten, Giddins, Harvey, Smith, and Blue but also like the tops guys if we're somehow in position or willing to grab one like Jeanty (impossible), Hampton, Johnson, or Henderson. I'd also throw Neal into the mix and a few others... basically it's a really exciting year for RBs and I'm stoked to see who we get.

How disappointed would you be if we didn't take a RB though!?

That's another question I was about to pose... Would you rather a RB or a WR?

I truly do not think there are adequate resources to take one of each. I say that because I firmly believe that we will take one of each of OT, DT, DE, and S or LB with those first 5 picks. I lean towards S over LB because of depth issues there.

I think WR is a strong consideration because of one-year deals comprising half our corps and an open roster spot. Reid has proven time and again he can get production from just about anyone at RB.

[SAGA45]

Oregon's Jordan James is a fav of mine. Not a homerun threat but will pick up some of the most violently entertaining chunk gains you'll see in this class outside of Judkins and Skattebo.

Love his short area lateral quickness. His feet, scrappyness and overall movement sort of remind me of Beast Mode. He's definitely one of my guys.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by SAGA45

Oregon's Jordan James is a fav of mine. Not a homerun threat but will pick up some of the most violently entertaining chunk gains you'll see in this class outside of Judkins and Skattebo.

Love his short area lateral quickness. His feet, scrappyness and overall movement sort of remind me of Beast Mode. He's definitely one of my guys.

He's another one!

To Crow's point, unfortunately for this thread, I think the need is greater right now for a WR than another RB but I wouldn't be shocked if we nabbed a FA ring chaser WR before the draft.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by kccrow

What do you guys want for a RB? I feel like there isn't some major consensus, and there's so much to like in this class that it also leads to a large variance.

Coming into this I thought most people wanted an electric playmaker to compliment Pacheco. There are not too many of those. Hendrickson, Sampson, Tuten, Harvey, and Blue probably top out the list.

But I really see a lot of people liking some other backs that are more of your two-down thumper and some that are a bit more complete but are going to lack that homerun threat primarily. There are a lot of those 2-down guys and frankly, taking these guys I'd just as much rather take a guy in round 7 than take one in round 2.

I see very few where I feel like they are an every-down back and then you, generally, lose that electric component. I think of these guys as more of your Jeanty, Hampton, Skattebo, and Neal types.

So what do you guys want to see? An every-down replacement for Pacheco going forward? More of a complimentary speed demon that functions on 3rd down?

Slippery is what I want. When Reid was in Philly he always had dudes he'd get the ball to in space and they'd be seemingly impossible to tackle. That's the part that's missing from Reid's offense.

We're not giving a dude 40 carries. Give me one that is good for 10 runs and 10 absolutely soul crushing catches.

Vision, short area quickness, good field awareness and feel. Not big and plodding. Those guys are available anywhere.

Basically Jamaal Charles. I know Charles isn't walking through the door, but maybe Charles less the long speed.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Would you scream when Reid won't play him on 3rd down?

Nope.

Most RB's come into the NFL with pass blocking being a question mark. They're just often not asked to do it much in college.

I see no physical or mental reason why Harvey won't be able to do it. He's certainly bigger than Mckinnon, for example. (actually, he's not, apparently, he just looks bigger).

And he's a PLUS pass receiver, so I really don't see it as a long-term issue.

As a rookie, he'll have to earn PT. I have no problem with that.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

That's another question I was about to pose... Would you rather a RB or a WR?

I truly do not think there are adequate resources to take one of each. I say that because I firmly believe that we will take one of each of OT, DT, DE, and S or LB with those first 5 picks. I lean towards S over LB because of depth issues there.

I think WR is a strong consideration because of one-year deals comprising half our corps and an open roster spot. Reid has proven time and again he can get production from just about anyone at RB.

Devil's advocate question here. What if the Chiefs would move on from Trey Smith? Even for a high 3rd rounder from some of the teams with high cap space, plenty of picks, and a need at IOL? Pats? Jags? Bears maybe? Plus there are a few more teams in that same situation.

Another 3rd rounder (give or take), and 23.5 million of cap space. Might not need to spend all of it now, but wait until after the draft to see what vets get released by other teams, possibly even as late as June to fill the positions we couldn't in the draft.

Probably won't happen. But it's interesting at the same time. To me at least.

[SAGA45]

For the Harvey-ites. Enjoy...

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Devil's advocate question here. What if the Chiefs would move on from Trey Smith? Even for a high 3rd rounder from some of the teams with high cap space, plenty of picks, and a need at IOL? Pats? Jags? Bears maybe? Plus there are a few more teams in that same situation.

Another 3rd rounder (give or take), and 23.5 million of cap space. Might not need to spend all of it now, but wait until after the draft to see what vets get released by other teams, possibly even as late as June to fill the positions we couldn't in the draft.

Probably won't happen. But it's interesting at the same time. To me at least.

I'm not opposed but then I think you have to look at drafting an IOL at some point as depth at least.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by kccrow

So what do you guys want to see? An every-down replacement for Pacheco going forward? More of a complimentary speed demon that functions on 3rd down?

A durable 3 down back with great contact balance which usually is of the Kareem Hunt mold that grinds a defense down.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm not opposed but then I think you have to look at drafting an IOL at some point as depth at least.

I'd tend to agree. But we did draft at that postion a couple of times last season later in the draft too.

[DJ's left nut]

I want someone that can legitimately threaten the edge when when we utilize outside zone.

I want someone that makes the DBs run conscious. They just don't have to give a shit at ALL against the run because they have all day to react to a handoff. They don't have to bite on play-actions because...who gives a shit? Stay in your drop-back an extra step. Get extra depth. At worst, it turns a 3 yard gain into a 4 yard gain because nobody's hitting the 2nd level and putting you under pressure.

The LBs don't have to worry about the edges either so they can crash the middle.

We have nobody that can threaten the edge and force CBs to at least respect the running game. It makes things quite a bit easier for those defensive backfield.

If I had any faith that Mitchell could handle even 100 touches without breaking, I'd be a little less concerned. I don't.

I just think we need someone that can pressure the defensive backfield.