So it begins..Browns might take Trubisky 1st overall?

[RunKC]

Adam Schefter

Just had an NFL exec tell me, "Don't be surprised if Myles Garrett isn't the No. 1 pick." Exec convinced a QB is in discussion at No. 1.

Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes will all be gone by pick 13.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

McDowell is lazy. Pass. Football is not important to him.

"Chris Jones is lazy"

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And so we continue to go 1 and done in the playoffs.

I'm not going to shit all over every thread with "it doesn't matter with Alex under center" but I will say that ANY trade up that doesn't replace Alex Smith is absolutely asinine. It costs us assets that could be used to replace Smith next year while in the process doing nothing to raise the ceiling of this team past the playoff fodder it presently is.

Alex Smith will never be anything more than the bit player in a better quarterback's story. He's the guy that champions beat to become champions - he's not a guy that ever does the winning.

Trading up to draft Foster would be as stupid at taking Tyson Jackson at 3. Okay, nothing's that stupid. But it would be stupid. This team doesn't win a championship with Reuben Foster in the middle and Alex Smith or Nate Peterman under center.

Some day it might win a championship with Jarrad Davis in the middle and Pat Mahomes under center.

And Mahomes nor any qb drafted this year will play in 2017 or at least should not. A modest trade-up I could see, but not a 12-15 position jump which may be what it takes to get their guy (Mahomes/Watson being the buzz). This Chiefs team has more holes than many are willing to admit. The defense has question marks at pass-rusher with Hali virtually out the door, Ford an enigma, and Houston a band-aid. DJ likely never returns to form and the ILB core behind him are young and limited. #2 corner is up for grabs. Maclin needs to be more productive and is slowing down with each passing season. Ware wore down as the season went along. The O-line and TE positions need depth added.

I want Alex replaced as bad as the next guy. If it costs us a first, second and third round pick to get in range to get one of these qbs though? - **** that. Too many needs. Our division rivals are on the upswing. Mortgaging 3 potential starters at other positions for a "maybe" qb prospect is stupid business. Moving up to the 20-22 spot is doable if your guy is on the board. Anything from 10-15 will cost a fortune. If Mahomes is the guy, the Chiefs have to pray he is still on the board by pick 20 or so.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

And Mahomes nor any qb drafted this year will play in 2017 or at least should not. A modest trade-up I could see, but not a 12-15 position jump which may be what it takes to get their guy (Mahomes/Watson being the buzz). This Chiefs team has more holes than many are willing to admit. The defense has question marks at pass-rusher with Hali virtually out the door, Ford an enigma, and Houston a band-aid. DJ likely never returns to form and the ILB core behind him are young and limited. #2 corner is up for grabs. Maclin needs to be more productive and is slowing down with each passing season. Ware wore down as the season went along. The O-line and TE positions need depth added.

I want Alex replaced as bad as the next guy. If it costs us a first, second and third round pick to get in range to get one of these qbs though? - **** that. Too many needs. Our division rivals are on the upswing. Mortgaging 3 potential starters at other positions for a "maybe" qb prospect is stupid business. Moving up to the 20-22 spot is doable if your guy is on the board. Anything from 10-15 will cost a fortune. If Mahomes is the guy, the Chiefs have to pray he is still on the board by pick 20 or so.

Then you don't really want Smith replaced, especially not if you're willing to give up that same 1st, 2nd and 3rd on Foster.

When Alex Smith is replaced it will either be with some identical, supremely limited quarterback like Peterman or it will come at a MASSIVE cost. And no, the 2018 quarterback crop isn't any more likely to be outstanding than this one is - better at the top (where we can't get) and just as 'eh' through the middle. Meanwhile, we'll no longer have the luxury of grooming a guy for a year - after this season with Smith under center, it will be obvious that he must be replaced immediately, I'm certain of that.

I'm writing off '17 - we're not winning anything with Smith. So trying to continue to prop him up is an exercise in futility. Give him Foster and we'll still lose to first top 10 QB he faces in the post-season.

The time to strike at QB is now and if it costs you a 1st, 3rd and 2018 2nd, so be it. That's going to be the cost anyway be it this season or next. That, or you just watch some other scrub go out there and dink and dunk his way to very little of consequence.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Wow, you can't ****ing read. I didn't say Foster was meh. I said "meh" to Foster. The idea of trading up to go get him.

And I even MENTIONED the Ramik ****ing Wilson in my last goddamn post. Christ, you suck.

There are a ton of 3-down LBs in this draft. We don't need to blow the **** up to get one, especially not trading up that far in the draft for one. I don't care if he shoots cinnamon buns out his goddamn urethra for all the Arrowhead fans.

Settle down. I know you don't perceive Foster as a "meh" player. My point is that any front office personnel worth their salt likely perceives Foster as a top-five talent in this draft. If he falls for some reason into the mid teens, you have to really consider moving to get him considering his talent and that he fills a huge position of need. My comments regarding Wilson and the comparisons to the other linebackers in this class is that in my estimation this class is not strong nor special. If the Chiefs are going to address the inside linebacker position seriously in this draft it will happen within the first two rounds or they will sign a free agent or trade for a guy.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Then you don't really want Smith replaced, especially not if you're willing to give up that same 1st, 2nd and 3rd on Foster.

When Alex Smith is replaced it will either be with some identical, supremely limited quarterback like Peterman or it will come at a MASSIVE cost. And no, the 2018 quarterback crop isn't any more likely to be outstanding than this one is - better at the top (where we can't get) and just as 'eh' through the middle. Meanwhile, we'll no longer have the luxury of grooming a guy for a year - after this season with Smith under center, it will be obvious that he must be replaced immediately, I'm certain of that.

I'm writing of '17 - we're not winning anything with Smith. So trying to continue to prop him up is an exercise in futility. Give him Foster and we'll still lose to first top 10 QB he faces in the post-season.

The time to strike at QB is now and if it costs you a 1st, 3rd and 2018 2nd, so be it. That's going to be the cost anyway be it this season or next. That, or you just watch some other scrub go out there and dink and dunk his way to very little of consequence.

When did I suggest to give up that haul for Foster? If the potential second coming of Ray Lewis is available in the mid to late teens you go get that given the positional need and elite talent of the player.

I am prognosticating that in order to get a Patrick Mahomes, and to ensure that you get him, the Chiefs need to move up between the 10 to 15 pick range which will cost a lot. I rather spend draft capital on a sure thing instead of a project. If said project slides into a range where we're giving up number 27 and maybe one other pick then yeah I'm on board.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chief Northman

When did I suggest to give up that haul for Foster? If the potential second coming of Ray Lewis is available in the mid to late teens you go get that given the positional need and elite talent of the player.

I am prognosticating that in order to get a Patrick Mahomes, and to ensure that you get him, the Chiefs need to move up between the 10 to 15 pick range which will cost a lot. I rather spend draft capital on a sure thing instead of a project. If said project slides into a range where we're giving up number 27 and maybe one other pick then yeah I'm on board.

Your hypothetical was in response to a trade up to get to to 14; that's what that trade would cost.

So that's exactly what you suggested we do.

And I reiterate, if all you're willing to give up to acquire Smith's replacement is something like an extra 3rd rounder (i.e. roughly the cost it takes to get to 22), then no, you can't say "I want Smith gone as much as the next guy" because you clearly don't. That's a "eh, if it's cheap, why not?"

So you're in the middle; someone that thinks Smith can win a championship if surrounded by enough talent but who we could start looking for a replacement for if it came at a nominal cost.

The situation is far more dire than that, IMO.

[The Franchise]

I'm perfectly fine with giving up #27, our 3rd round comp pick and a 2nd next year for the QB that they want.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by staylor26

"Chris Jones is lazy"

I remember reading the odd scout report saying that. The bigger red flag with McDowell is that not only do you hear it in public circles, but you literally see it point blank in his tape. It was much harder to detect with Jones in college.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm perfectly fine with giving up #27, our 3rd round comp pick and a 2nd next year for the QB that they want.

I've talked myself into it.

If it were the 1st and a comp 3rd, it's a no-brainer. Throwing in the 2nd next year stings a bit but it puts us so far ahead of where we'd be if we waited until next season (or took the next best option) that it's worth the capital.

Meanwhile, we still hold onto our 2nd this year to find the ILB we need and our original 3rd to get depth on the DL or edge. I don't see a lot of pass-catching talent out wide in the middle rounds but there are some intriguing TE options that we could target in the 3rd or 4th as well if we went that route.

We don't feel the real sting in that trade until 2018 but if it gets us to our QB a year earlier, you do it and you don't think twice. If Ballard offered that deal to move up to 14, I'd probably take it.

I'd regret it because ultimately I think the Cardinals stuff is a smokescreen and it's unlikely that anyone actually takes Mahomes before 22, but **** me I'd hate to be wrong. I really like that guy.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've talked myself into it.

If it were the 1st and a comp 3rd, it's a no-brainer. Throwing in the 2nd next year stings a bit but it puts us so far ahead of where we'd be if we waited until next season (or took the next best option) that it's worth the capital.

Meanwhile, we still hold onto our 2nd this year to find the ILB we need and our original 3rd to get depth on the DL or edge. I don't see a lot of pass-catching talent out wide in the middle rounds but there are some intriguing TE options that we could target in the 3rd or 4th as well if we went that route.

We don't feel the real sting in that trade until 2018 but if it gets us to our QB a year earlier, you do it and you don't think twice. If Ballard offered that deal to move up to 14, I'd probably take it.

I'd regret it because ultimately I think the Cardinals stuff is a smokescreen and it's unlikely that anyone actually takes Mahomes before 22, but **** me I'd hate to be wrong. I really like that guy.

I'd rather bite the bullet and trade up instead of just sitting on our ****ing hands like we always do. I'm sure we'll just sit there at 27 and watch one of them fall into the 20s.....and then they'll announce a trade has happened. And it will end up being some other team jumping us to pick him.

[Hammock Parties]

You can't trade comp picks.

Trading up for ANY of these quarterbacks is a terrible idea.

It's literally like trading up for Geno Smith. THE ****?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by ASS11

You can't trade comp picks.

Trading up for ANY of these quarterbacks is a terrible idea.

It's literally like trading up for Geno Smith. THE ****?

Yes, you can. Try to be smarter next time.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yes, you can. Try to be smarter next time.

Clay is saying a lot of stupid shit lately. Even more than usual.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ASS11

You can't trade comp picks.

Trading up for ANY of these quarterbacks is a terrible idea.

It's literally like trading up for Geno Smith. THE ****?

Try being right before being indignant next time, m'kay?

[The Franchise]

Geno hurt Clay and Clay isn't over it yet. That's all this is.