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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Herm does draft better, though.

We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.
The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something.

**Baby Lee** · 11-20-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Now you are getting out of line Mr. Germ Warefare. YOU do not have any right to qualify my Chiefs experience.

Down* with Goose/Gander inequity!!!!

* - No pun intended

StcChief · 11-20-2007, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.
The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something.

agreed Jury still out.... but looks better (at this point) than last 8 years with DV/Gun...

FAX · 11-20-2007, 12:07 PM

Herm's saying the players only look at their position and don't understand the big picture of the game.

This team's strength is defense. We're not going to change with Brodie in there.

Flustrated count: 1

FAX

FAX · 11-20-2007, 12:09 PM

I think he just said, "... it hasn't come to fluition."

FAX

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Herm started with a better team, do you agree with that?

You mean the one where Herm lost a starting QB and lost an offensive line that was the staple of the #1 offense? So no line and no qb who ran the offense to perfection and a 28th rank defense. I think your history might be a little cloudy.

Stinger · 11-20-2007, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

The fact that we had to give up a 2nd for DV and a 4th for Herm ****ing Edwards should tell you something.

You mean you are compairing a 2nd round pick couch that in 5 years got his team to 1 playoof game in which they lost to a 4th round coach that in his first year got to a playoff game and lost. Seem to me we got more of a deal on Herm than Dick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiEd

We shall see, none have been in the league long enough to be qualified. We have had this discussion before as well. I do however, think Bowe could end up being one of the best Chiefs ever.

I would end this part of your discussion right now. This is a no win situation if you want to compair draft picks.

Micjones · 11-20-2007, 12:23 PM

Herman Edwards is intent on waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. Screw controlling your own destiny.

Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-20-2007, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Herman Edwards is intent on waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. Screw controlling your own destiny.

Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.

Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I think he just said, "... it hasn't come to fluition."

FAX

RedThat · 11-20-2007, 12:37 PM

I've come to the conclusion and thought, why waste breath on Herm?

This is all Carl's fault. He hired him. He thought he did a great job in NY managing both sides of the ball. But yet failed to look past his offenses in NY.

And it is Clark Hunts fault for giving a 4 year contract extension to an underachieving General manager.

It all works in sequence folks. This is what they get and deserve!

Stupid Organization

Hydrae · 11-20-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Not defending the move, but would driving down to watch Rayner miss another 45yd kick matter?

Total aside from the rest of the discussion but was Rayner still in a Chiefs uniform? If so, then you have to trust him to do his job regardless of previous performance.

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:39 PM

Okay, after listening to this fuckwit, I've reached the conclusion that his only goal is to not get Brodie killed.

Coogs · 11-20-2007, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

Sitting on the ball going into the Half, with 1:15 and three timeouts, was unforgivable.

I agreed with not going for it right there. If we were out around the 40, then by all means go for some points. But not back at our 20. We could have been on the lead anyway if Rayner makes a kick or two. A couple of quick incompletes, and we give the ball back to Manning near midfield with a minute to go in the half, and we are probably trailing at half. If we are out near the 40, then if things don't go well, Indy is probably getting the ball back near thier 20 with a minute to go, and we can probably hold them to the tie at half. This decision by Herm is not hard for me to understand.

Not unleashing the offense at the 8:30 mark in the 4th quarter in a 10-10 tie is another matter though.

**Donger** · 11-20-2007, 12:40 PM

He keeps saying that he KNOWS that Brodie can't do what people are asking of him. How does he KNOW that's true?

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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11-20-2007, 12:23 PM	#233
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Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $6939900 VARSITY	He keeps saying that he KNOWS that Brodie can't do what people are asking of him. How does he KNOW that's true? __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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