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I respectfully disagree. You are either a natural thrower or you are not. Lamar is NOT a natural thrower. He might improve a little bit BUT he will never develop into that NFL caliber throwing QB EVER.
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Well like any big successful industry whatever business your in and especially those at the top, it is very incestuous. What do I mean by that ? Everybody knows everybody and at one point or another and has worked with everybody. And this is especially true in the NFL. Everybody talks. Who knows why he didn't get an interview ? But I assure there is a reason and may not even be football related, who knows?
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People are delusional...NFL History hasn't been kind to these wildly inaccurate running quarterbacks. If a quarterback isn't comfortable standing in the pocket, reading a defense, and stepping into a throw they have NO future. Cam Newton, Kaepernick, RGIII and Tebow all had their hype-trains derail after one year of productivity.
Jackson might buck that trend but it's more likely he's a Cam Newton project. The baltimore defense might keep the games close but the defenses in the NFL are too fast and too violent to get worked over by a running back that can't make professional QB throws. |
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The dude eclipsed 4,000 passing yards as a rookie for crying out loud. |
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THIS!!!! It pisses me the **** off. It's like you can't point out Jackson's shortcomings or else you are a ****ing uncle tom or something. That's bullshit. The mofo can't read a defense or throw outside of the numbers. I tell it like it is when it comes to sports. IDGAF what their race is. That light skin dark skin bullshit is irritating. We need to get out of that bullshit. |
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He had a pretty solid 8 year career considering how physical he is in the running game. Took a ton of huge hits. Generally speaking, I don't think he is anywhere near as accurate as you want your franchise QB to be.
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I'd agree, but Cam is one of the few who was just good enough as a passer to make it work. Once you add in the threat of him running, he was a much better QB than average.
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Went to see a friends band play last night, he’s from Baltimore area and had a decent amount of Baltimore fans there. I can tell you they all believe in Lamar, and don’t like hearing about him being a running back. “Lamar had a better season than Mahomes” “Lamar is a better quarterback “ I was like are you kidding me? Lamar hasn’t beaten Mahomes or even won a playoff game. Their fan base is delusional. They didn’t like it when I got the bar doing the war cry and chop!!
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Was surprised when I looked up Newtons numbers. Besides 2015 he was mediocre (QB-wise) and as a rookie he threw 17 interceptions and had 21 touchdowns. Not good. He's another guy that fell in love with the run instead of developing pocket presence and took some filthy hits.
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Dude was hucking deep ball to Steve Smith left, right and center. He wasn't much of a pure passer, but he had no fear and was willing to just launch it and let Smith go get it. He didn't really do a lot of 'quarterbacking' in a 'read the defense and run a calculus' sort of thing. Frankly he NEVER really developed that skill set. But he embraced a gamblers mentality and played with his hair on fire. Ultimately for his career he was a sub-60% passer with a pretty pedestrian Adjusted Y/A so he wasn't making up for low precision through an avalanche of downfield connections. He was Eli Manning with the ability to to run the football. That's valuable, but it's not what I would call a great pure passer. But he was who you would ultimately hope Jackson could become. A guy who was never a truly good passer but who could threaten all parts of the field. And with his ability to do to that AND run the football, he makes defenses account for a lot. Jackson simply doesn't threaten enough of the field as a passer. Even if he's a little more precise on the short stuff than Newton is, he's not a credible threat to challenge too many parts of the field so I think his ceiling is lower than Newtons in terms of team success.
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No we can't. Just because he made it to a SB doesn't mean he is beyond criticism at the QB position. Actually HE IS the poster boy of the new kid on the block that no one saw or played against in order to prepare for and NEVER PLAYED against an elite defense until the SB against Denver.
Wade Phillips recognized very quickly in his study of Cam that his extreme physical giftedness was smoke screening the fact not only was his throwing very inaccurate but even more importantly he was still very "elementary" in reading coverages, recognizing defenses, not picking up blitzes, not audibling to the correct play, etc..... Ever since Cam's SB debacle he has never been the same. You would think once he got exposed he would become a student of the game therefore relying less on his athleticism and more on his mind to be more successful while taking less hits to ensure a longer career. But that didn't happen. He went back to the same ol, same ol and when he chose not to become a student of the game, the rest of the league (DCs) caught up with him and figured him out just like Phillips did and continued to take more hits physically. Cam's problem is his extreme emotionally immaturity(immense NARCISSISM) it's all about him and only giving lip service to the team and fans. Coaches have let him get away with this since he was a kid because of extreme athleticism that still led to wins. You see his "fire in the belly" is about HIM and not about the team or the game. When you are more concerned about your post game fashion presser appearance than you are becoming a student of the game then your lifespan in the NFL as a QB is on borrowed time. Can you imagine Pat being like this ? NO !! Yes Cam had injuries, BUT IMHO he used those injuries as a way to duck out and quit. His "fire in the belly" that was only about HIM finally burned out as well meaning he lost his confidence in himself to take it to the next level because he just didn't want to do the work required. |
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None of those guys threw for 4,000 yards in their rookie year. Cam Newton did. None of those guys added an additional 14 rushing TDs like Cam did either. Cam Newton came into the league a pretty good passer. He didn't make it a point to focus on elevating his game from the pocket or avoiding big hits which ended up limiting him to just a good NFL career instead of the all-time great career he had the potential to achieve.. but to say he had just one year of good productivity or that his rookie season wasn't good is just asinine. |
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While Jackson was the most improved QB this season by a mile he's still not a QB that can carry a team with his arm.
That said if he's able to improve as much this offseason as he did last year he's going to be pretty damned good...
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Yeah, I would take Newton over a Kirk Cousins for sure.
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