2024 WR Class - Page 157

Couch-Potato · 01:08 PM

Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like?

1st - 2nd RD WR Targets:

Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.6
Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3
Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5
Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.41
Xavier Legette, SC, 6-1, 225, 4.29
Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.35
Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.22
Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48
Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42
Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38
Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46
Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31

*This entire class is tall WTF?

MahomesMagic · 03-31-2024, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Really hope Veach drafts a real WR this time and not just an athletic project that needs to learn how to be a WR. Kinda done with those.

I'm with you.

Want a real WR that already knows how to play football and is not going to be a gimmick or a Nagy gadget dream.

Projects are fine late in the draft. Not with a 1st or 2nd round pick.

Abba-Dabba · 03-31-2024, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Similar stats!? No.
. Legette did nothing for 4 years.

It could be easily said that Legette with the OC change and the extra year could have turned a light on for him. He is no doubt a traits over production type of player going into the draft though. But with ADM one could potentially say he fits in the same traits over production type as well.

Couch-Potato · 03-31-2024, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Why is AD Mitchell ranked over X Legette?

...Similar stats over last 3 years, both a size and speed guys, both have questions, I feel like Legette has more home run playmaking potential.

Crucify me.

Here's another one... Why is B Rice Jr a better prospect than his teammate Tahj Washington? Washingtons stats are better, Rice's bigger.

kccrow · 03-31-2024, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Here's another one... Why is B Rice Jr a better prospect than his teammate Tahj Washington? Washingtons stats are better, Rice's bigger.

Washington doesn't have elite speed and is seen as a slot-only guy. If he was either faster or could play effectively outside, he'd probably be higher than Rice.

duncan_idaho · 03-31-2024, 03:19 PM

Both Legette and Mitchell has some obfuscating context that makes it hard to get a confidently reliable read on how much of their potential they can meet.

Legette is physically a little more imposing/thicker, and his top gear seens a bit higher. He pops off the screen physically.

But both are elite athletes with profiles you get excited about.

Mitchell has played in bad offenses (Georgia) that don't throw the ball, and in a pass-friendly offense with a lot of other talent (Texas) and a QB who doesn't throw great deep balls or with good anticipation.

Legette was a converted HS-QB who also has dealt with a car or motorcyle accident setting that interrupted a year, and played only his last 2 seasons with a coach who could design a competent offense and had a competent QB under center.

I think you can find enough to explain lack of production for each player, without doing any gymnastics mentally.

kozzman555 · 03-31-2024, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Both Legette and Mitchell has some obfuscating context that makes it hard to get a confidently reliable read on how much of their potential they can meet.

Legette is physically a little more imposing/thicker, and his top gear seens a bit higher. He pops off the screen physically.

But both are elite athletes with profiles you get excited about.

Mitchell has played in bad offenses (Georgia) that don't throw the ball, and in a pass-friendly offense with a lot of other talent (Texas) and a QB who doesn't throw great deep balls or with good anticipation.

Legette was a converted HS-QB who also has dealt with a car or motorcyle accident setting that interrupted a year, and played only his last 2 seasons with a coach who could design a competent offense and had a competent QB under center.

I think you can find enough to explain lack of production for each player, without doing any gymnastics mentally.

One of the things that doesn't get talked about as much as it should is drops. Both players have very few drops, I think sub 7% is where you want a receiver to be. Anything over that is kind of a red flag IMHO. By the time the draft rolls around, I think you either know how to catch a ball or you don't. Either you have the mental focus and discipline to catch the ball or you don't. Have we ever seen a brick hands receiver in college suddenly become reliable in the NFL?

Both are under 5%, and AM has under 2%. If I was choosing between the two, I'd take Legette, just because I think his ceiling is higher. Dude looks like he could be an absolute beast if he continues to develop.

• Johnny Wilson: 16.1%
• Javon Baker: 10.6%
• Devontez Walker: 8.5%
• Troy Franklin: 7.3%
• Keon Coleman: 7.2%
• Marvin Harrison Jr: 6.9%
• Ladd McConkey: 6.3%
• Xavier Worthy: 5.4%
• Malik Nabers: 4.9%
• Xavier Legette: 4.8%
• Rome Odunze: 4.8%
• Ja’Lynn Polk: 4.8%
• Brian Thomas Jr: 3.8%
• Adonai Mitchell: 1.7%

Abba-Dabba · 03-31-2024, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kozzman555

One of the things that doesn't get talked about as much as it should is drops. Both players have very few drops, I think sub 7% is where you want a receiver to be. Anything over that is kind of a red flag IMHO. By the time the draft rolls around, I think you either know how to catch a ball or you don't. Either you have the mental focus and discipline to catch the ball or you don't. Have we ever seen a brick hands receiver in college suddenly become reliable in the NFL?

Both are under 5%, and AM has under 2%. If I was choosing between the two, I'd take Legette, just because I think his ceiling is higher. Dude looks like he could be an absolute beast if he continues to develop.

• Johnny Wilson: 16.1%
• Javon Baker: 10.6%
• Devontez Walker: 8.5%
• Troy Franklin: 7.3%
• Keon Coleman: 7.2%
• Marvin Harrison Jr: 6.9%
• Ladd McConkey: 6.3%
• Xavier Worthy: 5.4%
• Malik Nabers: 4.9%
• Xavier Legette: 4.8%
• Rome Odunze: 4.8%
• Ja’Lynn Polk: 4.8%
• Brian Thomas Jr: 3.8%
• Adonai Mitchell: 1.7%

Last season numbers or career? Jermaine Burton was 0.0% last season.

BTR, Harrison Jr, Burton and Franklin lead the pack on highest efficiency by depth of target. ADM and Worthy are near the bottom. Combined with drop #'s make BTR and Burton impressive IMO. BTR and Harrison Jr. we likely won't have a chance on. Franklin, Burton, Legette, maybe so.

Couch-Potato · 03-31-2024, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Washington doesn't have elite speed and is seen as a slot-only guy. If he was either faster or could play effectively outside, he'd probably be higher than Rice.

Team's need slot guys too! Why do we value outside WRs more?

Chris Meck · 03-31-2024, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Team's need slot guys too! Why do we value outside WRs more?

Because in our scheme, everyone moves around every snap. There's no slot guy; anyone could be. Or outside.

Couch-Potato · 03-31-2024, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Because in our scheme, everyone moves around every snap. There's no slot guy; anyone could be. Or outside.

Fair point.

But that's us, how about the league... he's ranked higher than his teammate that has better stats.

kccrow · 03-31-2024, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba

Last season numbers or career? Jermaine Burton was 0.0% last season.

BTR, Harrison Jr, Burton and Franklin lead the pack on highest efficiency by depth of target. ADM and Worthy are near the bottom. Combined with drop #'s make BTR and Burton impressive IMO. BTR and Harrison Jr. we likely won't have a chance on. Franklin, Burton, Legette, maybe so.

I think last year. Franklin was like 3.1% in 2022.

Megatron96 · 03-31-2024, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Team's need slot guys too! Why do we value outside WRs more?

I don’t know if we value them more, but right now we don’t have any. And last season all we had were slot guys.

Megatron96 · 03-31-2024, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I think J Burton and D Walker fit the Chiefs mold the most, who do you think? Premium route-runners, deep threats, later 2nd rounders.

We never go after big/tall jump ball guys, McConkey's a great route runner but is he a deep threat?

I think we go BPA in the 1st, move up again for a WR in the 2nd.

Athlete types that might bust in my mind = WR Legette, TE Johnson, RB Guerendo

You guys have a better handle on exactly who more than I. Was way too busy this past year to watch college ball, so I'm pretty much out of the loop.

But yeah, prototypical NFL stature guys that can run good/great routes, have deep speed, high football acumen/passion would be a nice change of pace.

In terms of physique, I like Brenden Rice. And he has enough speed for the NFL. And he's a good (maybe great) route runner. Guys in that mold.

staylor26 · 04-01-2024, 12:05 PM

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MahomesMagic · 04-01-2024, 01:10 PM

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Would be a nice outcome for Worthy pic.twitter.com/PPjpmQKgGE
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I don't see it at all.

Very different players.

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Couch-Potato MVP Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $1783065	2024 WR Class Some interesting WRs in the upcoming class, who do you like? 1st - 2nd RD WR Targets: Keon Coleman, FSU, 6-4, 215, 4.6 Emeka Egbuka, OH ST, 6-1, 205, 4.3 Adonai Mitchell, TX, 6-4, 195, 4.5 Troy Franklin, ORG, 6-3, 185, 4.41 Xavier Legette, SC, 6-1, 225, 4.29 Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.35 Xavier Worthy, TX, 6-1, 175, 4.22 Ja'Lynn Polk, WAS, 6-2, 205, 4.48 Johnny Wilson, FSU, 6-7, 235, 4.42 Branden Rice, USC, 6-3, 210, 4.38 Malachi Corley, WKU, 5-11, 200, 4.46 Jermain Burton, BAMA, 6-0, 195, 4.31 This entire* class is tall WTF? Last edited by Couch-Potato; 03-24-2024 at 01:08 PM..
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-89692	Both Legette and Mitchell has some obfuscating context that makes it hard to get a confidently reliable read on how much of their potential they can meet. Legette is physically a little more imposing/thicker, and his top gear seens a bit higher. He pops off the screen physically. But both are elite athletes with profiles you get excited about. Mitchell has played in bad offenses (Georgia) that don't throw the ball, and in a pass-friendly offense with a lot of other talent (Texas) and a QB who doesn't throw great deep balls or with good anticipation. Legette was a converted HS-QB who also has dealt with a car or motorcyle accident setting that interrupted a year, and played only his last 2 seasons with a coach who could design a competent offense and had a competent QB under center. I think you can find enough to explain lack of production for each player, without doing any gymnastics mentally. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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