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**New World Order** · 10-20-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yes, because all injuries are created equally. Charles dreams of having a career like Davis.

Why is Davis so highly regarded?

Bum after bum was brought in by Shanahan and they repeatedly ran for over 1000 yards each year.

He is by far the most overrated player of all time.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-20-2015, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Why is Davis so highly regarded?

Bum after bum was brought in by Shanahan and they repeatedly ran for over 1000 yards each year.

He is by far the most overrated player of all time.

None of them ever rushed for over 2,000 yards like TD did. They also never won a league MVP or Super Bowl MVP. He was the best player on a team that has 3 players in the HOF.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-20-2015, 09:11 AM

The crazy thing about TD's 2,000 yard season was he didn't play in the second half of a lot of games. If they weren't saving him for the playoffs he could've had 500 more yards that year.

**New World Order** · 10-20-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

None of them ever rushed for over 2,000 yards like TD did. They also never won a league MVP or Super Bowl MVP. He was the best player on a team that has 3 players in the HOF.

None of them were close to the attempts that Davis had.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-20-2015, 09:19 AM

Only Jim Brown and Eric Dickerson put up the kind of numbers that TD did.

Terrell Davis' first four years in red

OJ Simpson First 4 years

Yards: 3178 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.09 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 64.8 (105)
Rushing TD's 18 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .36 (.91)

Barry Sanders First 4 years

Yards: 5674 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 94.5 (105)
Rushing TD's 52 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game .86 (.91)

Emmit Smith first 4 years

Yards: 5699 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.5 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 91.9 (105)
Rushing TD's 50 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .8 (.91)

LT's first four years

Yards: 5899 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.3 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 93.6 (105)
Rushing TD's 54 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .85 (.91)

Eric Dickerson first 4 years

Yards: 6968 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 112.3 (105)
Rushing TD's 55 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .88 (.91)

Jim Brown First 4 years

Yards: 5055 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 5.2 (.47)
Yards Per Game 105.31 (105)
Rushing TD's 49 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: 1.02 (.91)

Franco Harris First 4 years

Yards: 4005 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 85.21 (105)
Rushing TD's 28 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .59 (.91)

Gale Sayers First 4 years

Yards: 3804 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 5.3 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 76.08 (105)
Rushing TD's 31 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .62 (.91)

OctoberFart · 10-20-2015, 09:22 AM

Davis or Holmes are not HOF material. Next question.

**New World Order** · 10-20-2015, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Only Jim Brown and Eric Dickerson put up the kind of numbers that TD did in his prime.

Terrell Davis' first four years in red

OJ Simpson First 4 years

Yards: 3178 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.09 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 64.8 (105)
Rushing TD's 18 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .36 (.91)

Barry Sanders First 4 years

Yards: 5674 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 94.5 (105)
Rushing TD's 52 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game .86 (.91)

Emmit Smith first 4 years

Yards: 5699 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.5 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 91.9 (105)
Rushing TD's 50 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .8 (.91)

LT's first four years

Yards: 5899 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.3 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 93.6 (105)
Rushing TD's 54 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .85 (.91)

Eric Dickerson first 4 years

Yards: 6968 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 112.3 (105)
Rushing TD's 55 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .88 (.91)

Jim Brown First 4 years

Yards: 5055 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 5.2 (.47)
Yards Per Game 105.31 (105)
Rushing TD's 49 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: 1.02 (.91)

Franco Harris First 4 years

Yards: 4005 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 85.21 (105)
Rushing TD's 28 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .59 (.91)

Gale Sayers First 4 years

Yards: 3804 (6413)
Yards Per Attempt: 5.3 (4.7)
Yards Per Game 76.08 (105)
Rushing TD's 31 (56)
Rushing TD's Per Game: .62 (.91)

I'll say it again: insert any rb in shanahan's system and give him that many carries he will rush for 2k yards.

Look at Mike Anderson for example: 1,487 yards and 5 ypc.

Anderson's stats prove it was the system, not the back.

Quesadilla Joe · 10-20-2015, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

I'll say it again: insert any rb in shanahan's system and give him that many carries he will rush for 2k yards.

Look at Mike Anderson for example: 1,487 yards and 5 ypc.

Anderson's stats prove it was the system, not the back.

We are running Shanahan's system and can't run the ball at all.

**New World Order** · 10-20-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

We are running Shanahan's system and can't run the ball at all.

I'll take 6+ seasons of evidence vs 6 games.

ThaVirus · 10-20-2015, 10:41 AM

Those comparisons are pretty disingenuous. First, you're comparing TD's "prime" years to the other guy's first four, which aren't necessarily the other guy's primes. Sanders, for example, only averaged 4.7 in his first four seasons, but retired with a 5.0 average. He clearly got better with time.

Second, you've compared a few guys that played when full seasons only amounted to 12 and 14 games.

Finally, you neglect to mention the shit ton of carries TD saw in those first four seasons, which may or may not have lead to his career's early end. He had more carries in those first four years than any other back had besides ED. It's no surprise that ED put up better numbers.

Davis had a nice little four year stretch, but so have a ton of backs. Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Chris Johnson, etc. He also was afforded the opportunity to play in a running back's wet dream scheme-wise while sharing a backfield with a future HOF QB. What's most impressive about TD's career is his 2,000 season and his playoff production. That shit was off the charts.

... But he's not a legend like the other guys.

**New World Order** · 10-20-2015, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Those comparisons are pretty disingenuous. First, you're comparing TD's "prime" years to the other guy's first four, which aren't necessarily the other guy's primes. Sanders, for example, only averaged 4.7 in his first four seasons, but retired with a 5.0 average. He clearly got better with time.

Second, you've compared a few guys that played when full seasons only amounted to 12 and 14 games.

Finally, you neglect to mention the shit ton of carries TD saw in those first four seasons, which may or may not have lead to his career's early end. He had more carries in those first four years than any other back had besides ED. It's no surprise that ED put up better numbers.

Davis had a nice little four year stretch, but so have a ton of backs. Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Chris Johnson, etc. He also was afforded the opportunity to play in a running back's wet dream scheme-wise while sharing a backfield with a future HOF QB. What's most impressive about TD's career is his 2,000 season and his playoff production. That shit was off the charts.

... But he's not a legend like the other guys.

It's simple, he's a product of Shanahan's system. Nothing less, nothing more.

vailpass · 10-20-2015, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Why is Davis so highly regarded?

Bum after bum was brought in by Shanahan and they repeatedly ran for over 1000 yards each year.

He is by far the most overrated player of all time.

manchambo · 10-20-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

None of them were close to the attempts that Davis had.

You're just talking out your ass now.

NoGodsNoReids · 10-20-2015, 01:00 PM

TD isn't one of the greatest of all time, but he was a damn good workhorse of a runningback that helped Elway and the Broncos win 2 Super Bowls.

ThaVirus · 10-20-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NoGodsNoReids

TD isn't one of the greatest of all time, but he was a damn good workhorse of a runningback that helped Elway and the Broncos win 2 Super Bowls.

Agreed.

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Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3428675	The crazy thing about TD's 2,000 yard season was he didn't play in the second half of a lot of games. If they weren't saving him for the playoffs he could've had 500 more yards that year.
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10-20-2015, 09:19 AM	#2330
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3428675	Only Jim Brown and Eric Dickerson put up the kind of numbers that TD did. Terrell Davis' first four years in red OJ Simpson First 4 years Yards: 3178 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 4.09 (4.7) Yards Per Game 64.8 (105) Rushing TD's 18 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .36 (.91) Barry Sanders First 4 years Yards: 5674 (6413) Yards Per Attempt 4.7 (4.7) Yards Per Game 94.5 (105) Rushing TD's 52 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game .86 (.91) Emmit Smith first 4 years Yards: 5699 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 4.5 (4.7) Yards Per Game 91.9 (105) Rushing TD's 50 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .8 (.91) LT's first four years Yards: 5899 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 4.3 (4.7) Yards Per Game 93.6 (105) Rushing TD's 54 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .85 (.91) Eric Dickerson first 4 years Yards: 6968 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7) Yards Per Game 112.3 (105) Rushing TD's 55 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .88 (.91) Jim Brown First 4 years Yards: 5055 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 5.2 (.47) Yards Per Game 105.31 (105) Rushing TD's 49 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: 1.02 (.91) Franco Harris First 4 years Yards: 4005 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 4.7 (4.7) Yards Per Game 85.21 (105) Rushing TD's 28 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .59 (.91) Gale Sayers First 4 years Yards: 3804 (6413) Yards Per Attempt: 5.3 (4.7) Yards Per Game 76.08 (105) Rushing TD's 31 (56) Rushing TD's Per Game: .62 (.91)
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10-20-2015, 10:41 AM	#2335
ThaVirus Grand champ Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-17631	Those comparisons are pretty disingenuous. First, you're comparing TD's "prime" years to the other guy's first four, which aren't necessarily the other guy's primes. Sanders, for example, only averaged 4.7 in his first four seasons, but retired with a 5.0 average. He clearly got better with time. Second, you've compared a few guys that played when full seasons only amounted to 12 and 14 games. Finally, you neglect to mention the shit ton of carries TD saw in those first four seasons, which may or may not have lead to his career's early end. He had more carries in those first four years than any other back had besides ED. It's no surprise that ED put up better numbers. Davis had a nice little four year stretch, but so have a ton of backs. Priest Holmes, Shaun Alexander, Chris Johnson, etc. He also was afforded the opportunity to play in a running back's wet dream scheme-wise while sharing a backfield with a future HOF QB. What's most impressive about TD's career is his 2,000 season and his playoff production. That shit was off the charts. ... But he's not a legend like the other guys.
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10-20-2015, 01:00 PM	#2339
NoGodsNoReids Starter Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: KC-Midtown Casino cash: $10001320	TD isn't one of the greatest of all time, but he was a damn good workhorse of a runningback that helped Elway and the Broncos win 2 Super Bowls.
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