Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[Pepe Silvia]

Lets hope for the next Roaf or Pace.

[kcbubb]

Teams may pass on Simmons bc they don’t project him to be a day 1 starter. I’d guess that it would take at least a year from the injury this past October to be ready and then he needs some time to develop. So, the idea that if he’s healthy, he will be gone is not necessarily accurate. It’s more complicated than that. It’s a risk to know when or if he will be 100%. Plus he’s an ascending player that played at his best in 2024, so teams will also be betting on his traits. It’s a risk that could drop him with limited reps in 2024. The risk is worth the reward for me if we can get him after the 20th pick, assuming that the drs believe he can start by the playoffs. It’s a great match of need and positional value.

Simmons reps have stated that he will be ready by training camp but how accurate is that? Here’s the article.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/article...202923871.html

Charles McDonald: Josh Simmons is dealing with rehab coming off of a torn patellar tendon, but according to media reports, he’s on track to be ready for the start of training camp. If can get healthy in a hurry, Simmons has the tools to grow into a steady offensive tackle in the NFL.

He’s a smooth mover who should be a lockdown pass protector from Day 1. He may end up being a stash draft pick for a team, but he is dripping with talent and a frame to add more weight and strength.

I agree with this post.

But what if it's an injury that just takes additional time to heal? I could certainly see teams passing on him if he won't be 100% until midseason. For us, that's probably fine though. We are looking for the long term solution. So I'm not sure I agree that he's permanently damaged goods just because others don't take the swing.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I mean, a tendon can be repaired/sound and the player can still be less than they were before.

It happens all the time - athletes and non-athletes alike. That patellar tendon repair is one that has been notoriously difficult to completely return to form from.

This isn’t an ACL or a broken bone…

Exactly.

You look at Henry Josey as a perfect example. By all accounts he was 'healed' and the surgery on his knee was a success.

He still went from being the most explosive RB in college football as a true sophomore to being good but clearly not what he once was after he missed a season.

It was repaired. "The medicals checked out" by any definition of the term. He simply wasn't the same player.

There's absolutely nothing that can be seen/done to determine if Simmons is the guy he was trending towards being before that injury. It's a roll of the dice either way.

In that case, just gimme Conerly. The history of patella injuries is just damn rough.

[BigRedChief]

If Simmons falls to us at 31, you have to take him. Even if its next year before he can play at anything near his level before the injury.

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If Simmons falls to us at 31, you have to take him. Even if its next tear before he can play at anything near his level before the injury.

Are you 4IMPRINT certain?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If Simmons falls to us at 31, you have to take him. Even if its next tear before he can play at anything near his level before the injury.

Again - there's no reason to believe he's more likely to recover next year than he is this year.

His 'recovery' is likely going to be near the finish line by the fall. It doesn't mean he'll ever be what he was, not a year from now or 3 years from now.

That's a really nasty injury, fellas. It isn't just going to take time - it's going to take time and winning the genetic lottery. His body just has to recover better than the majority of them do from injuries like his.

And if the Chiefs decide that's not a gamble worth using a 1st round pick on i would completely understand it.

[Balto]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - there's no reason to believe he's more likely to recover next year than he is this year.

His 'recovery' is likely going to be near the finish line by the fall. It doesn't mean he'll ever be what he was, not a year from now or 3 years from now.

That's a really nasty injury, fellas. It isn't just going to take time - it's going to take time and winning the genetic lottery. His body just has to recover better than the majority of them do from injuries like his.

And if the Chiefs decide that's not a gamble worth using a 1st round pick on i would completely understand it.

And would make the Jaylon Moore signing even better!

[xztop123]

Simmons is ideal. He’s likely to be the most talented player that slips. And he’s also the position of most need (well before we signed the backup)

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Simmons is ideal. He’s likely to be the most talented player that slips. And he’s also the position of most need (well before we signed the backup)

The Chiefs are in a "win now" mode though. Drafting a risky guy like Simmons is more appropriate for a team that can afford to take chances. We need our top picks to step in and perform.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If Simmons falls to us at 31, you have to take him. Even if its next year before he can play at anything near his level before the injury.

No, you don't. You really don't, especially if you're taking him over Josh Conerly or Walter Nolen or Egbuka or Burden or Harmon.

The concern/risk is pretty high on him. You have a strong injury concern with a decent chance he never recovers 100 percent physically, AND he's a player who doesn't have a lot of experience/snaps to review.

So, injury risk. Scouting risk. Smart orgs tend not to spend 1st round picks on guys like that.

Originally Posted by xztop123

Simmons is ideal. He’s likely to be the most talented player that slips. And he’s also the position of most need (well before we signed the backup)

No. He isn't ideal. Ideal would not be someone with that type of injury risk, who also has very little tape of history of success at the position at which you're drafting him to play.

It's not like this guy started at LT as a true freshman and kicked ass at that spot for 2.5 years before blowing his knee. He had like 6 starts at LT before he blew his knee.

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

The Chiefs are in a "win now" mode though. Drafting a risky guy like Simmons is more appropriate for a team that can afford to take chances. We need our top picks to step in and perform.

Yeah, I don't know that the risk profile fits the Chiefs.

Maybe, if you get to 31 and you're picking between Simmons and the WRs that fit are gone, and the DTs worthy of a 1st are gone, etc. And he's truly the BPA.

But taking him over Nolen or Conerly or Harmon or Burden or Egbuka or even Azareyah Thomas would be tough to swallow.

[xztop123]

Who are the immediate contributors at our first round spot? I don’t see any. The rb from North Carolina maybe if he’s available. And by this I mean an upgrade over who they would be replacing on our current roster.

Maybe Alabama or Ohio state guard? lol

Only other is mu wr or one of the top 2 defensive tackles. But I think the guards and rb are the only who realistically fall.

Also we can get production out of rd 2-3 with running back and defensive tackles because the quality doesn’t drop off as fast as left tackle

We’ve been in win now mode for a while and that didn’t stop us from taking an undersized defensive end in FAU - who I assume they knew was a project

[Coochie liquor]

Wonder if they tagged Trey because they have a team they’re talking to about a trade?

Also, if it gets to our pick and a guard is BPA… I’d have no problem with it. Not a fan of paying Trey that cap hit this season when we have so many OL currently on the roster. If we don’t have a guy who can give CLOSE to what Trey has given us the last 2 seasons, then we need to figure out where the issue lies. Scouting, drafting, coaching. If one of those guys can’t be a cheaper option at the least difficult OL position, then that’s a lot of wasted draft capital regardless of round.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

…AND he's a player who doesn't have a lot of experience/snaps to review.

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Nonsense on this point. 1 1/2 years at LT and 1 year at RT. Over 1,900 snaps. There is plenty of tape.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Nonsense on this point. 1 1/2 years at LT and 1 year at RT. Over 1,900 snaps. There is plenty of tape.

I think that’s my bad. Thought he was at RT in 2023.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

No, you don't. You really don't, especially if you're taking him over Josh Conerly or Walter Nolen or Egbuka or Burden or Harmon.

The concern/risk is pretty high on him. You have a strong injury concern with a decent chance he never recovers 100 percent physically, AND he's a player who doesn't have a lot of experience/snaps to review.

So, injury risk. Scouting risk. Smart orgs tend not to spend 1st round picks on guys like that.



No. He isn't ideal.

I will yield to your more informed opinion than mine who hasn't watched more than 5 minutes of tape on the guy.