|
06-13-2023, 05:26 PM | #211 |
Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Casino cash: $1757626
|
I don't personally like it. I would rather take the extra time to isolate each head.
|
Posts: 17,159
|
1 0 |
06-13-2023, 06:37 PM | #212 |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Sure, if you take the time to feel and contract your deltoids. I'd say it's no better or worse than any other overhead press movement. It's what you make out of it and what agrees with your unique anatomy.
So you tell us if it's effective for you.
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
Posts: 41,266
|
1 0 |
06-13-2023, 09:05 PM | #213 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2017
Casino cash: $820400
|
Quote:
The front delt is hardly ever lacking on people, so I’m not totally sure what advantage it has over standard OHP. I mix it in on occasion.
__________________
“When it’s grim, be the Grim Reaper.” -Andy Reid on PMII |
|
Posts: 7,382
|
06-14-2023, 08:55 AM | #214 | |
Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Casino cash: $1757626
|
Quote:
What about Lu Raises? I can't stand them. Even before my shoulders were f'd there was too much cracking and popping for me. |
|
Posts: 17,159
|
06-14-2023, 09:03 AM | #215 | |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Quote:
I don't see how it could be done under heavy load. That bottom stretch position would be impossible to hold with heavy weight. Also, the transition from being in front of you to going overhead makes it hard to manage balance. I don't see how you could do it heavy.
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
|
Posts: 41,266
|
06-14-2023, 09:35 AM | #216 |
Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Casino cash: $1757626
|
Just thinking about that I can feel the tissue tearing in my shoulders.
|
Posts: 17,159
|
06-14-2023, 10:17 AM | #217 |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2017
Casino cash: $820400
|
So then what is the point of the exercise, if not progressive overload?
__________________
“When it’s grim, be the Grim Reaper.” -Andy Reid on PMII |
Posts: 7,382
|
06-14-2023, 10:25 AM | #218 | |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Quote:
Progressive overload can mean more reps too. To me, "heavy load" means < 8 reps, and I don't feel that the balancing act required by arnold presses is ideal for that rep range. I work with the assumption that every working set is done to failure or very near it, so even a "light set" still entails progressive overload.
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
|
Posts: 41,266
|
1 0 |
06-14-2023, 10:31 AM | #219 |
Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Casino cash: $1757626
|
The goal of the arnold press is for hypertrophy and symmetrical growth of all three heads. Not meant to be a strength building lift. Purely just for improving aesthetics for bodybuilding.
|
Posts: 17,159
|
06-14-2023, 10:34 AM | #220 | |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Quote:
Well, I can't imagine it does much for rear delts
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
|
Posts: 41,266
|
06-14-2023, 10:34 AM | #221 | |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2017
Casino cash: $820400
|
Quote:
__________________
“When it’s grim, be the Grim Reaper.” -Andy Reid on PMII |
|
Posts: 7,382
|
06-14-2023, 10:35 AM | #222 |
MVP
Join Date: Oct 2017
Casino cash: $820400
|
It doesn’t. And rarely is the front delt undertrained, which is why I’m not the biggest fan of the Arnold press.
__________________
“When it’s grim, be the Grim Reaper.” -Andy Reid on PMII |
Posts: 7,382
|
06-14-2023, 10:36 AM | #223 | |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Quote:
Exactly, so would I. My original point is that it might work well for some people. I am not one of those people.
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
|
Posts: 41,266
|
2 0 |
06-14-2023, 10:38 AM | #224 |
Supporter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Casino cash: $1757626
|
If done correctly it hits the rear delt. Most people I see in the gym doing them do not do them correctly so there is no resistance for the rear delt.
|
Posts: 17,159
|
06-14-2023, 10:40 AM | #225 | |
Hey Loochy, I'm hooome!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: PooPooKaKaPeePeeShire
Casino cash: $290397
|
Quote:
How, aside from overall shoulder stabilization? Look at the origins and insertions. The purpose of the rear delt is to draw the arm down and back.
__________________
Hey Loochy, I'm hoooome! |
|
Posts: 41,266
|
|
|