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Lol, you literally posted "Veach probably didn't even talk to DHop." Paraphrasing, because you don't really deserve my time that it would take for me to look up your exact words. Obviously, that was wrong. Breer may not be the best prognosticator in the world, but he clearly said that Veach spoke to DHop. So your post was purely conjecture. or you're a liar. But I don't know you, or how likely it is that you would lie, so i left it at "you made a mistake." That's called precision. Something you seem to be lacking. And you have a terrible memory, because I posted statistical context in all four DHop threads, several of which you replied to, not just this one. Clearly you have some emotional control issues. Maybe see a therapist about that.
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The post you were replying to stated that MVS was probably the 30-40th best WR in the league. You responded that statistically speaking, in '22, he was the 55th. So he's a mid-WR3. To which I responded- "You don't get it." And you don't. There are no where NEAR 54 guys who can do what MVS can do. His worth is SO MUCH MORE than the stats say, which is my point, which you're either just missing or intentionally ignoring. I'm not sure which it is, to be honest. I don't think you're stupid, and I don't think you're intentionally arguing in bad faith, so perhaps it's just a blind spot you have, in which you are SO data driven you can't see anything beyond the numbers. But there's A LOT beyond what the numbers can tell you. Anyway. I never stated that MVS CHANGED the way DC's called the games; I would argue that his presence kept them calling similar games to when Hill was here. Because that ONE specific elite ability-scary, startling speed-is a KILLER. MVS doesn't have the other abilities that Hill does, but he does possess that singular skill. The ABSENCE of anyone on the team with that level of speed would change the way DC's call the games, and while that's technically conjecture, it's no great stretch to see that would happen immediately if a defense didn't have to worry about someone with the ability to blow right past them. You had to worry about Hill running by you. You still have to worry about MVS doing the same. And that reality stresses a defense and helps to dictate what you can and can't do with your coverage schemes. If you need data, you can look at how much two deep coverage we see, every year. There's a reason for that-and that two deep coverage is also part of why Kelce has such huge numbers every year. You have to pick your poison. |
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06-10-2023, 04:13 PM | #2179 |
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I wonder if Patriots fans had these exact same arguments back when they were winning all of their Super Bowls.
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06-10-2023, 04:32 PM | #2181 |
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They have won 2 SBs after none for 50 years. The expectation from us and themselves is this team will be good and competitive for another. Thats what they have earned Dhop or not. Get him then great. Don't we still gonna be great.
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I didn't speak to what his worth was. i spoke to what his overall production was. There's a difference. But when someone else says "30th or 40th best WR," that speaks to his overall production, not his value in a particular offense/scheme. And since about Week 13 I've consistently said that MVS' value (or worth) is greater than his actual production. I haven't been critical of MVS' role/production in the offense since then, and I've repeatedly said that within the context of his role, he's been more than fine. But when the question is "where does he rank as an NFL WR," well, he's somewhere between the 55th and 75th WR available. Now, among WRs that play a similar role, he might be 1st, or 5th or whatever. But as a NFL WR, compared directly against all WRs, he's probably around 55th to 75th, statistically speaking. And I tend to use stats more than others because I'm terrible at video editing, and effectively don't have that ability to make use of. But I avoid season stats when possible, because I know how useless they are, especially when trying to evaluate a single season. They're more useful when looking at multiple seasons, say in a career, because they tend to mitigate outlier results. And I'm honestly puzzled why this bothers you so much. I've purposefully used stats split by the month, or by the first 8-9 weeks vs. the last 8-9 weeks. By quarters, or every four weeks, which is how most coaches look at the season. I've broken it down by RZ and 3rd down conversion efficiency, not just for the season, but by first vs. last half of the season. And so on, including certain players trends statistically over 2022. And the whole time I've said that stats don't provide a complete picture, but they can show trends if properly used. And i didn't conclude that the offense wasn't good. I said that the offensive production is off-balance, leaning more on TEs and RBs. Which the data clearly shows. Anyone with any common sense would agree that the offense should be more balanced, I would think, right? Remember when the Chiefs WRs didn't score any TDs for an entire season? I'm going to guess that wasn't okay with you. Or any of us for that matter. Last year they scored 13. The offense as a whole scored 59. That's 22% of all TDs scored by the offense. Isn't it safe to say that balance be closer to 33%, or 20 (19.5) TDs? Don't we want the offense to be more balanced? So the questions are (in order) 'how did that happen?' and 'how do we fix it?' I've been addressing the part about 'how' that happened, statistically. DHop would address the 'how do we fix it' question, instantaneously. But again, for the 400th time, I've only asked for "better than JuJu," not that I had to have DHop. Except the one time a month or so ago.
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The good news is DHop is monitoring this thread and was ready to lower his contract demands drastically for only the Chiefs once we hit 2500 posts.
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I checked once or twice. They were always arguing about something. Message boards tend to be like that.
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06-10-2023, 06:15 PM | #2187 |
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Ironically, there's probably a Randy Moss thread just like this one, and signing him is about when they started their SB drought.
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More recently, I checked on PP around the time they drafted N'Keal Harry (sp?), and they were bemoaning the lack of WR talent, and that the offense was relegated to rushing and throwing to Edelman and the RBs. Gronk was very limited in terms of availability at the time, iirc, and that also was a source of a lot of contention.
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The Chiefs are, or they would have brought Juju back. Clearly they think they can do better with Skyy, Toney, and Rice. Will the WR room score a lot more? Dunno. I don't really care. See, coverages dictate where the ball goes as much as anything. If what's there is a back in the flat, I think that's just fine. |
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