Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Simmons has the injury stuff and Conerly doesn't have the exact physical traits Andy desires in his tackles.

Furthermore, there's a good possibility neither of them are starters day 1, meaning you just spent a first round pick to NOT solve the problem you're looking to solve.

I don't think the probability is as high as everybody thinks.

Simons is likely still recovering from injury week one regardless who drafts him. Which might allow us to get a top 10 player at our pick. We don’t need him we just signed a left tackle. It works perfect. He’ll be ready by week 6 - 10.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Simmons has the injury stuff and Conerly doesn't have the exact physical traits Andy desires in his tackles.

Furthermore, there's a good possibility neither of them are starters day 1, meaning you just spent a first round pick to NOT solve the problem you're looking to solve.

I don't think the probability is as high as everybody thinks.

Conerly has the traits. He’s super athletic and has the footwork. His foot speed is way better than Kingsley’s which is why I think Kingsley will be a fine G

[Sassy Squatch]

Jaylon Moore is a damn near perfect hedge for drafting Simmons.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Simmons has the injury stuff and Conerly doesn't have the exact physical traits Andy desires in his tackles.

Furthermore, there's a good possibility neither of them are starters day 1, meaning you just spent a first round pick to NOT solve the problem you're looking to solve.

I don't think the probability is as high as everybody thinks.

I don't think the problem you're looking to solve is OT in 2025, though.

I think they feel like they've solved that as well as they could've reasonably been expected to.

The problem they're looking to solve is the revolving door at the bookends. And Conerly could do that (Simmons could as well) in that you theoretically have Moore as a possible throughput alongside the rookie for the next 5 years or so before you have to start looking at replacing Moore. Or maybe the rookie is the first step of the long-term plan in that he eventually becomes your LT at RT is an easier fix.

I think you address some longer term issues with OT in the 1st, even if it's not exactly what I'd be focusing on.

I think that 4-man pass rush HAS to improve. That's why I'm looking DL.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Jaylon Moore is a damn near perfect hedge for drafting Simmons.

To a previous point - there is no 'hedge' for Simmons. His floor is literally that the knee prevents him from ever being the player he was.

And as was noted, if the medicals come out sterling, he's probably a top 20 guy. If they don't...why would you want him?

There's no 'hedge' to taking a guy who's had a knee injury as severe as Simmons in the 1st round. Either that knee comes back right as rain (in which case a 'hedge' isn't necessary and you probably don't get him anyway) or you take him off your board.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

To a previous point - there is no 'hedge' for Simmons. His floor is literally that the knee prevents him from ever being the player he was.

And as was noted, if the medicals come out sterling, he's probably a top 20 guy. If they don't...why would you want him?

There's no 'hedge' to taking a guy who's had a knee injury as severe as Simmons in the 1st round. Either that knee comes back right as rain (in which case a 'hedge' isn't necessary and you probably don't get him anyway) or you take him off your board.

Teams will analyze the medicals differently, and some won't take him regardless of how they look

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Conerly has the traits. He’s super athletic and has the footwork. His foot speed is way better than Kingsley’s which is why I think Kingsley will be a fine G

Kingsley's traits are fine - his brain just gets in the way.

His kick slide and footwork are more than adequate at OT when he's decisive in his movements. It's not his feet that kills him -- its his head.

I don't think Conerly's physical traits are on par with Kingsleys - the latter is just more physically impressive to me. But he's more comfortable from what I can see. He uses his angles well to address his weaknesses in strength and length.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Teams will analyze the medicals differently, and some won't take him regardless of how they look

Which means they aren't clean.

It's like marriage -- if you have to ask, the answer is probably no.

If there's room for significant disagreement with the medicals, he's not a 1st rounder, IMO.

Because I will again reiterate that I don't think he was THAT great a prospect before the injury. He was good -- probably top 15. Not ahead of Campbell, IMO. Maybe not ahead of Membou.

I'm not taking a massive medical risk on an injury of that significance for a 15 spot discount. This isn't a Jeffrey Simmons situation where I thought that guy was a damn monster before the injury.

I thought Josh Simmons was...fine. A good prospect. But not someone we don't see in a lot of years and someone that goes in that 12-18 range. With that kind of injury risk and "medicals being evaluated differently" that's a guy I put in the back of the 2nd into the middle of the 3rd.

[Sassy Squatch]

Don't want him personally. Right now my preference is to double down on DL with 31 and 63 or 66. But it wouldn't shock me at all if they went that route.

[RunKC]

Matt Miller said he’s heard around the league that the Packers want a tackle early. That might hurt be our competition for a guy we want.

Also I think Ersery has the potential to be a solid RT replacement for Jawaan. Would take him at 63 or via a trade up after taking a DL in rd 1. He’s not a LT to me but has RT potential.

[Balto]

Anyone heard if Veach was in on the Tunsil trade at all? I know many think he isn't good at run blocking but he is still an elite pass protector.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Why? It's totally up to how they view his medicals. Chiefs wouldn't take him unless they're confident in that knee going forward.

I'm a huge believer in not taking guys with medical concerns that early. If he checks out, sure take him. But going into the process starting with an "if" just isn't a good thing to me.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Simons is likely still recovering from injury week one regardless who drafts him. Which might allow us to get a top 10 player at our pick. We don’t need him we just signed a left tackle. It works perfect. He’ll be ready by week 6 - 10.

If he's not the starter week 1, why draft him? The whole reason people want a LT is to solve the problem, not to acquire another throw of the dart.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Conerly has the traits. He’s super athletic and has the footwork. His foot speed is way better than Kingsley’s which is why I think Kingsley will be a fine G

Doesn't have ideal size or arm length. Not saying that's bad, it's just not ideal.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think the problem you're looking to solve is OT in 2025, though.

I think they feel like they've solved that as well as they could've reasonably been expected to.

The problem they're looking to solve is the revolving door at the bookends. And Conerly could do that (Simmons could as well) in that you theoretically have Moore as a possible throughput alongside the rookie for the next 5 years or so before you have to start looking at replacing Moore. Or maybe the rookie is the first step of the long-term plan in that he eventually becomes your LT at RT is an easier fix.

I think you address some longer term issues with OT in the 1st, even if it's not exactly what I'd be focusing on.

I think that 4-man pass rush HAS to improve. That's why I'm looking DL.

Hey man, don't look at me. I have no illusions they're trying to solve the immediate need. But just take a look at this thread - the majority here think taking a 1st round tackle solves the immediate problem and that's why they want one so bad.