Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don’t think so, but that’s not absolute.

They paid Moore as a guy competing for a OT spot, NOT a foregone conclusion that he’s the starter. It’s a 2 year deal. They also drafted a super high upside project LT in Kingsley. And the back to back year investment in draft snd cap resources sure indicate you’ll end up being right….but they also have mentioned his upside at guard. They have moved on from Wanya at LT.

The Moore signing indicates to me that he will likely get first shot at the job. Can’t ignore that they also have a PERFECT scenario in the draft if we move up a few spots to get Collins and redshirt him.

Normally, while Mahomes is here…we would NEVER have the opportunity to get a kid with his skill set that fits so perfectly in what we want to do….couple that with our training staff that is the best at rehabbing players and getting Collins anywhere after 20 is a move that would be like getting a goose that lays golden eggs…but as a chick.

You know what I’d LOVE to see?

Collins in the first and Kaleb Johnson in the second. The rest can be used to move up and bolster the DL.

Boss, signing off and I’ll listen to responses off air.

That's a nightmare scenario for me.,

Simmons is a huge, huge risk. Injury concerns, lack of playing time/proven nature.

And Johnson is a big back who isn't fast enough and doesn't pick up yardage after contact.

Drafting those two 1-2 has a high chance of leaving you 0-2.

[DJ's left nut]

Yeah - that's a terrible, terrible idea.

If we go LT in the first, I'll go with Conerly and by a fair bit.

I think the ceilings are awfully close and the floor for Conerly is substantially higher.

Simmons is a guy you take if you HAVE to find a starting OT this year. You take him because if he's healthy, he's probably capable of being an adequate starter in year 1. Conerly, OTOH, I think will get pushed around a fair bit in year 1.

But with Moore in the fold, you don't need that. So you're really looking at 2026 and I think a year of technique/strength worth for Conerly puts him on a similar tier as Simmons (and that's presuming health from Simmons).

If you take either guy expecting a redshirt 2025 then Conerly is an easy call, IMO. It's not the direction I'd go, but it's eminently defensible.

And I just have no interest in Kaleb Johnson at all.

[RunKC]

To be fair, we all knew we needed a WR last year and a ton of folks thought Worthy was gonna be a Chief after his record 40.

They need a long term functional LT badly. Maybe that’s Moore. Maybe he’s just a bandaid.

What I do know is that if they think any of these guys is a true long term option, they should probably pull the trigger within reason. If a trade up is needed, it will have to be realistic, not giving up tons of assets. So basically small trade up.

[Hoover]

Spot On.

Also I’m a Hawkeye fan and have no interest in Kaleb Johnson.

[RunKC]

DJ made some great points. I wonder what the deal is with Jaylon Moore though? They’re giving him a shot to be the long term option right? But would draft his replacement before he even takes the field to prove himself?

So would Moore be a candidate to move to RT to replace Taylor in 2026 in that scenario?

Seems a bit confusing

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

DJ made some great points. I wonder what the deal is with Jaylon Moore though? They’re giving him a shot to be the long term option right? But would draft his replacement before he even takes the field to prove himself?

So would Moore be a candidate to move to RT to replace Taylor in 2026 in that scenario?

Seems a bit confusing

I mentioned that a bit ago and ultimately I think you end up putting Conerly at RT if Moore appears to be a good fit long-term at LT.

Moore was awful at RT in SF. And if he's a proven, capable LT heading into 2026, why would you move him? UNLESS you just don't want to pay for him, in which case you still have Conerly serve a year-long apprenticeship at RT before moving him to LT in 2027.

I just don't see a scenario where Moore gets kicked over to RT. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[staylor26]

I go back and forth on whether they will take a T at 31. For the last few days, I had been convinced they will.

Now I'm back to thinking they won't. They would've signed a more true stop gap like Humphries or Wills if they wanted to take a T in the 1st, or thought it was likely they will. They went out and got a young guy that they legit think has a shot at being a starting LT.

I think it's more likely that they take a guy on day 2 the more I think about it.

Guess I have to do a new mock again really soon.

[Sassy Squatch]

Those guys aren't even stop gaps.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I go back and forth on whether they will take a T at 31. For the last few days, I had been convinced they will.

Now I'm back to thinking they won't. They would've signed a more true stop gap like Humphries or Wills if they wanted to take a T in the 1st, or thought it was likely they will. They went out and got a young guy that they legit think has a shot at being a starting LT.

I think it's more likely that they take a guy on day 2 the more I think about it.

Guess I have to do a new mock again really soon.

I just don't love the day 2 OTs very much.

Ersery is the only one I see where I'm like "Yeah, I'd be stoked to get him" and that feels like a bit of a long-shot.

The rest look like OGs to me. There are so many guys listed as OTs in that range that all look like OGs.

I think ultimately I'd just take the board as it comes. I'm not looking to trade up given our lack of capital on Day 3. I'm not interested in trading down as the juice is never worth the squeeze and I think there is enough depth at our need positions (DE and DT, IMO) that we can probably find a contributor in the 2nd if need be.

So just take the best guy on the board regardless of the position. I don't think I'd go RB, but I'd take Burden if he's there at WR. I wouldn't go OG but if the best player is someone like maybe Zabel who might stick at RT and who has very little risk if placed at G, that would be okay.

By and large I'd just take what I have available to me and be pretty pleased.

[Sassy Squatch]

Imagine signing one of Humphries/Wills and being pigeonholed into either taking Simmons or having to skip OT altogether in the first since Conerly went off the board already. What a disaster that would be.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Those guys aren't even stop gaps.

Your personal feelings asides they're exactly the kind of signings a team makes when they're planning on taking a guy that position in the 1st too. Obviously with the hope that the rookie would win the job at some point.

Signing Moore is signing a starter for at least this year, and I think they clearly hope he's more than just a stop gap. It would just feel weird to draft a T unless they're thinking about RT too. I don't think Conerly is a fit at RT, and Simmons is a LT if you think he's going to be healthy.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Imagine signing one of Humphries/Wills and being pigeonholed into either taking Simmons or having to skip OT altogether in the first since Conerly went off the board already. What a disaster that would be.

Not "pigeonholed". That would be their target 100%, and they'd likely be agressive in doing so. That's not the same thing.

Jesus I know you get triggered by Humphries but we're talking about past hypotheticals here. Relax.

[staylor26]

Now I can totally see a guy like Banks being somebody they never expected to fall into their lap, but they take him when he does. That makes a little more sense.

But Conerly was always going to be in their range. Simmons was always going to come with serious injury concerns in that range. When they signed Moore, it was most likely them passing on those 2.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I go back and forth on whether they will take a T at 31. For the last few days, I had been convinced they will.

Now I'm back to thinking they won't. They would've signed a more true stop gap like Humphries or Wills if they wanted to take a T in the 1st, or thought it was likely they will. They went out and got a young guy that they legit think has a shot at being a starting LT.

I think it's more likely that they take a guy on day 2 the more I think about it.

Guess I have to do a new mock again really soon.

I am not a big believer in Jaylon Moore but he is more athletic than I thought with solid footwork and seems to have a good idea on how to use his hands and handle bull rushes.

It feels like they needed something now and pulled that trigger bc you never know what will happen in the draft.

I will say that Conerly and Simmons (if he’s cleared medically) are better options than what we’ve seen recently from tackles in the late first rd minus Anton Harrison.

Last year the insane run of QB’s, Bowers and tackles pushed studs like Jared Verse, Dallas Turner and Laiata Latu down the board. It feels like the inverse could happen with a ton of DL, a couple of TE’s, some corners and QB’s. Mocks have shown around 9 DL picked before 31 and so did the CP mock.

One last thing to keep in mind: who needs a LT after the Bears? Maybe the Packers? The Texans if they choose to address it and redshirt a prospect? Anyone else that hasn’t put a big asset recently into that position or already have their guy?

Feels like a damn near lock that one of Simmons or Conerly will be there for us.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Your personal feelings asides they're exactly the kind of signings a team makes when they're planning on taking a guy that position in the 1st too. Obviously with the hope that the rookie would win the job at some point.

Signing Moore is signing a starter for at least this year, and I think they clearly hope he's more than just a stop gap. It would just feel weird to draft a T unless they're thinking about RT too. I don't think Conerly is a fit at RT, and Simmons is a LT if you think he's going to be healthy.

No they aren't. They're in the Donovan Smith tier. Guys that get signed after free agency and the draft, potentially even mid season, when a team has already pivoted multiple times. They absolutely are not plan A, B, or C for any team that has a modicum of sense.