Funny Stuff New Conference re-alignment thread - Page 141

**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Well, I have read this thread and lots of the older thread and the articles in the KCStar. But, please, point me to the post or story that really outlines it. I could understand the B1G. The opportunities and cultural fit there would be outstanding. The SEC... I really don't get that quite as much. It seems like a negotiation ploy to me, which I could understand from the university perspective. If you have leverage, attempt to use it. I don't understand the fan reasoning.

By the way, the best way to get a point across to actually make a great point. When you have to resort to belittling humor, its usually viewed as a crutch to support a weak position.

First of all it is a stable and premier conference.

Stable...it isn't trying to convince city schools to come or looking like it is going to break apart every 5 mins. There isn't even a buy out clause. Nobody wants to leave it.

They are going to the table with ESPN with their expanded conference and it is going to rain down money. an SEC Network in partnership with ESPN is coming. Texas A&M and Missouri are a big part of the SEC's plans for that network. So are Virginia Tech and N.C. State. But that's in the future. For now, Missouri and Texas are important footprints and markets for the network.

Bigger games...bigger competition...a season's worth of better football.

We won't have to worry WTF is up with the SEC every year if we go there.

Mosbonian · 10-02-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

By the way, the best way to get a point across to actually make a great point. When you have to resort to belittling humor, its usually viewed as a crutch to support a weak position.

Only in a well structured debate. Sometime belittling humor is used to show contempt for the position of your discussion opponent.

HolyHandgernade · 10-02-2011, 09:31 PM

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Proximity doesn't make you a better relative.

And yet relativity and proximity are inter-relating terms.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Also because it is a quality operation with a PR machine that rivals none.

Wouldn't a "PR machine that rivals none" be a rather poor PR machine? I bet the Jayhawk has a better PR than the Tiger.

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Plus...they are never afraid to take chances, step outside the norm and try not to sit in a comfort zone.

The same cannot be said for KU.

Are you serious? Are you trying to tell me Disney doesn't have a formula? Here, let me tell you a premise and let's see if you can pinpoint which Disney movie it is:

A young character suddenly finds itself on its own, often deprived of one or both parents, and has to undertake a journey of self discovery, acquiring a few trusted friends along the way, to confront the demons born from its childhood innocence.

Go ahead tell me what unique movie that formula belongs to.

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

By the way, the best way to get a point across to actually make a great point. When you have to resort to belittling humor, its usually viewed as a crutch to support a weak position.

Get over it.

Or don't.

But don't play stupid like everyone hasn't talked about the merits of these moves to death.

mnchiefsguy · 10-02-2011, 09:32 PM

Honestly, I think most Mizzou fans want to leave because deep down we know that Texas and OU are not going to stay in the Big XII. Texas will probably go independent or to the Pac, and OU will then be Pac bound as well. The SEC might not be a better fit for Mizzou, but it sure as hell is a better fit than being in a non-BCS conference. The SEC is not going anywhere. Someone pointed out that their are no exit penalties to leave the SEC. Why is that?

I think Mizzou will be fine in the SEC. It will be different, but it the SEC will be there. There is no guarantee that the BIG XII will. And when the SEC forms their own network, Mizzou will grow even more.

Why should Mizzou be so loyal to the Big XII when Texas and OU have none?

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Only in a well structured debate. Sometime belittling humor is used to show contempt for the position of your discussion opponent.

HH realignment opinion process.

1. Start with a scenario where Kansas is happy and the B12 is a great conference to be in.

2. Rationalize.

3. Reach

4. Reach

5. Rationalize.

6. Why would anyone want anything other than the Big 12? WHY?

mnchiefsguy · 10-02-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

First of all it is a stable and premier conference.

Stable...it isn't trying to convince city schools to come or looking like it is going to break apart every 5 mins. There isn't even a buy out clause. Nobody wants to leave it.

They are going to the table with ESPN with their expanded conference and it is going to rain down money. an SEC Network in partnership with ESPN is coming. Texas A&M and Missouri are a big part of the SEC's plans for that network. So are Virginia Tech and N.C. State. But that's in the future. For now, Missouri and Texas are important footprints and markets for the network.

Bigger games...bigger competition...a season's worth of better football.

We won't have to worry WTF is up with the SEC every year if we go there.

Exactly. Zach said it better than I did.

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Honestly, I think most Mizzou fans want to leave because deep down we know that Texas and OU are not going to stay in the Big XII.

Your whole post was great but I am just going to stop here in the hopes that HH doesn't miss this very valid point and doesn't act like he didn't see it.

HolyHandgernade · 10-02-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Only in a well structured debate. Sometime belittling humor is used to show contempt for the position of your discussion opponent.

Usually, its meant to show off in front of a crowd you know already supports or is in league with your position. You know, kinda like junior high. If there were actually some specifics said, I could see this technique. But look through the discussion, its only vague "If you can't figure it out" or "I shouldn't have to restate these things" or "Isn't it obvious". Those aren't answers, they are evasions, therefore the belittling humor is an attempt to extricate themselves from the discussion while trying to claim a victory.

HolyHandgernade · 10-02-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

Your whole post was great but I am just going to stop here in the hopes that HH doesn't miss this very valid point and doesn't act like he didn't see it.

I actually did answer that point already. So, explain to me this better opportunity scenario?

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

I actually did answer that point already. So, explain to me this better opportunity scenario?

Wow. lol.

**dirk digler** · 10-02-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

Well, I have read this thread and lots of the older thread and the articles in the KCStar. But, please, point me to the post or story that really outlines it. I could understand the B1G. The opportunities and cultural fit there would be outstanding. The SEC... I really don't get that quite as much. It seems like a negotiation ploy to me, which I could understand from the university perspective. If you have leverage, attempt to use it. I don't understand the fan reasoning.

By the way, the best way to get a point across to actually make a great point. When you have to resort to belittling humor, its usually viewed as a crutch to support a weak position.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1835

|Zach| · 10-02-2011, 09:39 PM

You responding to something does not make it invalid.

HolyHandgernade · 10-02-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Honestly, I think most Mizzou fans want to leave because deep down we know that Texas and OU are not going to stay in the Big XII. Texas will probably go independent or to the Pac, and OU will then be Pac bound as well. The SEC might not be a better fit for Mizzou, but it sure as hell is a better fit than being in a non-BCS conference. The SEC is not going anywhere. Someone pointed out that their are no exit penalties to leave the SEC. Why is that?

I think Mizzou will be fine in the SEC. It will be different, but it the SEC will be there. There is no guarantee that the BIG XII will. And when the SEC forms their own network, Mizzou will grow even more.

Why should Mizzou be so loyal to the Big XII when Texas and OU have none?

Well, the PAC said they aren't taking the LHN and they have basically said no to OU. Texas doesn't want to go independent because they don't want to have to ship their non revenue sports all across the country.

Mizzou may very well be fine in the SEC, but there is no guarantee of that anymore than the Big XII won't continue to go on, and succeed, even if they do so as "the Bickersons".

mnchiefsguy · 10-02-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade

I actually did answer that point already. So, explain to me this better opportunity scenario?

Going to a conference that is not going to break apart and leave you on the outside looking in of the BCS is part of the better opportunity.

Better exposure on the national stage is another.

More money for the school is yet another, and being part of a league wide network as an equal partner is a huge part of that.

The fact that said money will be guaranteed, since the SEC will not dissolve, as opposed to any BIG XII contract, which becomes worthless the second Texas and OU leave is still another.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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mnchiefsguy MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Casino cash: $2176206	Honestly, I think most Mizzou fans want to leave because deep down we know that Texas and OU are not going to stay in the Big XII. Texas will probably go independent or to the Pac, and OU will then be Pac bound as well. The SEC might not be a better fit for Mizzou, but it sure as hell is a better fit than being in a non-BCS conference. The SEC is not going anywhere. Someone pointed out that their are no exit penalties to leave the SEC. Why is that? I think Mizzou will be fine in the SEC. It will be different, but it the SEC will be there. There is no guarantee that the BIG XII will. And when the SEC forms their own network, Mizzou will grow even more. Why should Mizzou be so loyal to the Big XII when Texas and OU have none?
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