Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes

[Wallcrawler]

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Give me Mahomes over Lamar all day without question, but Ravens will be a top 5 offense again next year. Lamar is not a GREAT thrower, but in that offense he's good enough to cause a lot of problems. He threw for 345 against the Titans. It's silly to look at that one game and think that he's been figured out. That offense is really, really tough to stop.

If you watched that divisional round game and came away thinking positively of Lamar as a passer...I don’t know how. Ya, he had a shit ton of yards on FIFTY NINE pass attempts. All those yards and all they could muster is 12 points.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

If you watched that divisional round game and came away thinking positively of Lamar as a passer...I don’t know how. Ya, he had a shit ton of yards on FIFTY NINE pass attempts. All those yards and all they could muster is 12 points.

He’s not clutch. When he has to make a play he comes up short. He’s an average QB that wows people with his running. Everyone knows that.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

If you watched that divisional round game and came away thinking positively of Lamar as a passer...I don’t know how. Ya, he had a shit ton of yards on FIFTY NINE pass attempts. All those yards and all they could muster is 12 points.

I'm not going to ignore how he played and how that offense performed during the entirety of the 2019 regular season and think the Titans have somehow cracked the Lamar code. Ravens will be a top 5 offense again next year.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

He’s not clutch. When he has to make a play he comes up short. He’s an average QB that wows people with his running. Everyone knows that.

That second interception he threw was alarmingly bad. Not because of his accuracy or throwing ability, but the decision making.

That’s a throw you just can’t make at the NFL level. When Vaccaro shows that he’s staying in the flat, that throw is dead, you cannot attempt it. It will be an interception 9/10 times.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's always been a laughable comparison. Lamar Jackson is not that good of a QB. Good runner? Absolutely. Not a good passer. He's fortunate he has an offensive coordinator willing to play to his strengths and the team does well for it. He's not anywhere within orbit of Mahomes as a passer.

BINGO !!

Lamar is like that "starting talented pitcher" that no one has seen that in the beginning "mows everyone down" 'for a little while'. But once everyone has seen him for a time, then the hitters begin to make him have to "pitch" and IF that pitcher has not learned how to "truly pitch" they begin to hit him and hit him hard.

The difference between Mahomes and Lamar(and there are many) besides arm talent and scrambling(to look downfield first which Jackson does not he just takes off) is that Jackson needs all the support around him in order to do what he does. Mahomes does not. IF Lamar does not have a stud offensive line, does not have stud TEs, nor has Ingraham at RB, nor has Hollywood at WR, Jackson becomes severely 'neutered' IMHO.

Whereas Mahomes does not. Mahomes can take mediocre talent around him and make them better raising their level of play not only because Pat is physically talented but even more so because Pat is actually learning the game to maximize the players around him. Mahomes is a serious student of the game and Jackson is still learning and how far he goes with it who knows? BUT if they continue with that offense it will seriously stunt his growth in learning the game because right now his defensive/coverage reads and being able to manipulate defenses are just elementary at this point because of his talented legs and the talent around him.

My point being Jackson doesn't have to be a HUGE student of the game at this point BUT this will eventually catch up to him and prevent him from winning the bigger games IMHO because DCs will figure him out over time IF he continues not to be a true student of the game. Especially when the arm talent is not there and when the talent level around you ebbs and flows over time and it will as it does for every QB and it is the truly great QBs that can take this in stride because they have become a true student of the game.

[UK_Chief]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

It's funny that he scored lower on passing accuracy than the OTHER non-quarterbacks who were playing.

FYP

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Lamar throws pretty okay for a running back.

Nevermind. He doesn't even throw okay for a WR.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Give me Mahomes over Lamar all day without question, but Ravens will be a top 5 offense again next year. Lamar is not a GREAT thrower, but in that offense he's good enough to cause a lot of problems. He threw for 345 against the Titans. It's silly to look at that one game and think that he's been figured out. That offense is really, really tough to stop.

Bob Sutton had no problem stopping Lamar.

Neither did Spags.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Bob Sutton had no problem stopping Lamar.

Neither did Spags.

Lamar doesn’t suck and the Ravens’ scheme hasn’t been figured out. That’s what I’m saying. Vegas agrees. Ravens have the same 2021 Super Bowl odds as the Chiefs. But, Mahomes is the superior QB no question.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Lamar doesn’t suck and the Ravens’ scheme hasn’t been figured out. That’s what I’m saying. Vegas agrees. Ravens have the same 2021 Super Bowl odds as the Chiefs. But, Mahomes is the superior QB no question.

Titans put out a blueprint to stifle Lamar Jackson. He's going to have to develop much better accuracy of he wants to repeat this season.

[mr. tegu]

I think that the funniest thing about Jackson is that people just assume he is going to get better and that their offense is set up to be good with him for years to come. You see it in this thread and all in the media that he is some sort of guarantee to improve and keep leading a top offense. I think he is much more likely to have a Mayfield like regression next season than to do anything resembling what he did this season.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Titans put out a blueprint to stifle Lamar Jackson. He's going to have to develop much better accuracy of he wants to repeat this season.

I’ve said the Ravens will have a top 5 offense next year. You disagree with that?

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by wachashi

I’ve said the Ravens will have a top 5 offense next year. You disagree with that?

Yes. We've seen these types of offenses have extremely short shelf lives in the past. Lamar has a long, long way to go to develop as an NFL QB.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by wachashi

I’ve said the Ravens will have a top 5 offense next year. You disagree with that?

That the Ravens had a top 5 offense is a testament to Greg Roman. He completely optimized that offense to minimize the weaknesses of Lamar Jackson. I don't think he'll be able to do it again with teams having an entire off-season to mull it over, but we will see. That was just a horrific performance by Lamar Jackson in that contest. Can we all agree on that?

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

That the Ravens had a top 5 offense is a testament to Greg Roman. He completely optimized that offense to minimize the weaknesses of Lamar Jackson. I don't think he'll be able to do it again with teams having an entire off-season to mull it over, but we will see. That was just a horrific performance by Lamar Jackson in that contest. Can we all agree on that?

Jackson didn’t play well in that game, but the entire Ravens squad looked sloppy. It wasn’t all on him. It’s reasonable to think teams will be better prepared for the Ravens’ offense next year, but to think they’re going to go from the number one offense in 2019, to just an average group next season, especially considering they aren’t losing anyone on offense, is dumb.