MELLINGER: Should The Chiefs Move On From Smith?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Yep, another Alex Smith thread - but a solid and fair read from Sam Mellinger.

The only way forward is through brutal honesty and realistic self-evaluation. No sport moves as quickly, or with such little empathy, as the NFL.

Only fools assume what happened in the past will continue to happen in the future, unless that assumption is “the Patriots will win every year from now until armageddon because Bill Belichick is an alien.”

And so it is that this particular group of Chiefs players and executives attempt to solve a puzzle that no group of Chiefs players and executives has solved since 1970, which is so long ago CBS erased the tape to save money:

Get to the Super Bowl.

And it’s hard to believe that will happen without addressing the quarterback situation.

This is not a call for the Chiefs to walk away from Alex Smith, even though this is the first offseason since his arrival in which they could do it without a fatal salary cap hit. This is a call for them to look, to try, to make sure they don’t have access to a better option — whether that’s Tony Romo in a trade, Deshaun Watson in the draft (which would almost certainly require a trade up), or anything else.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Alex Smith Deep Ball Myth:

Spoiler!

With all sincerity. I would attempt this throw, even with harrison on his way... how tf can he can see that as a TD or an incomplete AT WORST. He can even toss it to the left of Hill to avoid any potential pass break up. Disgusting.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

Just because he has a dissenting opinon of Alex is all trash, doesn't mean he is clay bad. Clay is an irrational, sometimes humorous, poster.

The guy stopped rooting for the Chiefs as soon as Foles played against Indy.

He's a troll.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by New World Order

The guy stopped rooting for the Chiefs as soon as Foles played against Indy.

He's a Bob Dole mult.

FYP

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

May I ask why?

2015 was the true 'shit or get off the pot' season with Alex for me. I said to start the year that he needed to establish that he could be the starting QB for a winning team. Good news - he actually shit. He proved he can be the QB for a consistent winner.

Then the team took note of some obvious roster holes, dealt with them and got him a better supporting cast. It was time for him to prove that he could take the next step forward.

Instead he spent most of the season sputtering. He didn't take a step forward. I'll listen to arguments that he didn't regress (I disagree, but there are arguments to be made), but he definitely didn't improve.

He's not going to know the offense any better. He's not going to get more physically capable. The absolute BEST you'll see from Alex Smith is what you got from him this season and frankly I saw plenty of signs to suggest that you won't get that.

I just don't feel like we can count on that being good enough. For me, I'd just run Foles out there and see if we can learn something new because there's nothing else to find out about Alex Smith unless it's bad news.

2015 was Alex's "make or break year". He then apparently got an extension to 2016 for winning against the mighty Texans, now it seems 2017 is the make or break year for... some reason.

Like it did with Marty, like it did with Dick, when you refuse to fill the hole that's holding back your roster, eventually the championship quality elements of that roster disappear.

It would be a shame if the incredible talent on this roster were left to the same fate as our players in the 90's.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

FYP

I've been beating that drum for a while. If not a mult, it's definitely revealed Bob's love for all things Alex.

For a board that started as a refuge from the policies of the Star, it sure is starting to trend that way in some capacity.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Wrong.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Serious question, how many points would Brady, Rodgers, Ryan or Ben put up against Pittsburgh's defense at home Sunday night with our offensive talent?

25 minimum. And again, that game wasn't all on Smith, but if we are being honest, those guys would have made big throws on that defense for 4 quarters.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Serious question, how many points would Brady, Rodgers, Ryan or Ben put up against Pittsburgh's defense at home Sunday night with our offensive talent?

25 minimum. And again, that game wasn't all on Smith, but if we are being honest, those guys would have made big throws on that defense for 4 quarters.

At least 19.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

With all sincerity. I would attempt this throw, even with harrison on his way... how tf can he can see that as a TD or an incomplete AT WORST. He can even toss it to the left of Hill to avoid any potential pass break up. Disgusting.

I had already posted this thing in 2 threads otherwise I was going to post it in the 'who would you replace Smith with' thread and answer "Me....because even I would've let this ball go...."

Seriously, I'm as gobsmacked by that play as I've ever been by any play. In any sport. Ever.

I've seen guys throw behind the winning run at 3b. I've seen defensemen put pucks into their own open nets. I've seen guys shoot at the wrong basket. I've seen a lot of things in a lot of different sports that all had me less agape than watching Alex Smith stare at the fastest man in football as he drew even with a mediocre defensive back who was standing stock stick and still elected not to throw the football.

There is absolutely nothing about that play that I can wrap my mind around. I've seen one proposed answer (he was throwing to Kelce) and I don't see it - dude was staring right at Hill.

I'd replace Alex Smith with the first quarterback available that will make THAT throw. Which is pretty much every single one of them.

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

May I ask why?

2015 was the true 'shit or get off the pot' season with Alex for me. I said to start the year that he needed to establish that he could be the starting QB for a winning team. Good news - he actually shit. He proved he can be the QB for a consistent winner.

Then the team took note of some obvious roster holes, dealt with them and got him a better supporting cast. It was time for him to prove that he could take the next step forward.

Instead he spent most of the season sputtering. He didn't take a step forward. I'll listen to arguments that he didn't regress (I disagree, but there are arguments to be made), but he definitely didn't improve.

He's not going to know the offense any better. He's not going to get more physically capable. The absolute BEST you'll see from Alex Smith is what you got from him this season and frankly I saw plenty of signs to suggest that you won't get that.

I just don't feel like we can count on that being good enough. For me, I'd just run Foles out there and see if we can learn something new because there's nothing else to find out about Alex Smith unless it's bad news.

From someone whose own team is is crumbles... with Alex in place, there's a great chance of winning the division again next year. Los Angeles *lol* are gonna be trash again, Denver still have an average offense and defense is strong but beatable and the raiders are on the rise. I think the position should be open but having Alex during the reg season can at least guarantee a seat in the playoffs. I'm not sure it's the right time to change leadership unless the next guy is polished enough to do the job. The division is more open than it's been since when? Put Smith on a tight leash, make it publicly known, give Foles some big looks during practice and preseason, draft a earlier round QB and keep it going.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Serious question, how many points would Brady, Rodgers, Ryan or Ben put up against Pittsburgh's defense at home Sunday night with our offensive talent?

25 minimum. And again, that game wasn't all on Smith, but if we are being honest, those guys would have made big throws on that defense for 4 quarters.

Don't care.

The question isn't really 'how many points would Brady put up', it's 'how many points would Cousins put up?'

Holding any quarterback to a HoF standard is asking him to fail. But lets hold him up to the standard of just a pretty damn good quarterback with the kind of attacking attitude you'd like to see in a passer with this caliber of weapons.

For me, the answer's somewhere between 27 and 35 against that defense.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

OTW wants to ***** in his rocking chair but the truth of the matter is I've stayed on topic and provide facts to the discussion. You just can't handle the truth.

I've posted the facts and you have yet to respond to them in either thread. Why? Because you're the one that can't handle truth. Your only rebuttal for the past 2 months is "He wins. He's the 3rd winningest QB in the NFL." Dah dah dah. The Chiefs are the winners. Alex limps along with them. Get a ****ing clue about the game of football and some people might take you serious. It's obvious you've never played, and if you have it certainly wasn't past Pop Warner.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

From someone whose own team is is crumbles... with Alex in place, there's a great chance of winning the division again next year. Los Angeles *lol* are gonna be trash again, Denver still have an average offense and defense is strong but beatable and the raiders are on the rise. I think the position should be open but having Alex during the reg season can at least guarantee a seat in the playoffs. I'm not sure it's the right time to change leadership unless the next guy is polished enough to do the job. The division is more open than it's been since when? Put Smith on a tight leash, make it publicly known, give Foles some big looks during practice and preseason, draft a earlier round QB and keep it going.

Is that what we're shooting for boss?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I had already posted this thing in 2 threads otherwise I was going to post it in the 'who would you replace Smith with' thread and answer "Me....because even I would've let this ball go...."

Seriously, I'm as gobsmacked by that play as I've ever been by any play. In any sport. Ever.

I've seen guys throw behind the winning run at 3b. I've seen defensemen put pucks into their own open nets. I've seen guys shoot at the wrong basket. I've seen a lot of things in a lot of different sports that all had me less agape than watching Alex Smith stare at the fastest man in football as he drew even with a mediocre defensive back who was standing stock stick and still elected not to throw the football.

There is absolutely nothing about that play that I can wrap my mind around. I've seen one proposed answer (he was throwing to Kelce) and I don't see it - dude was staring right at Hill.

I'd replace Alex Smith with the first quarterback available that will make THAT throw. Which is pretty much every single one of them.

I'm surprised it has taken that play to get you to this point - considering he's missed throws like that multiple times per game routinely over his 4 seasons.

Have you seen the end zone view of the interception?

If he does what a good QB is coached to do - throw upon hitting his back foot - the play is a completion to Kelce.

Instead, people want to blame the OL.

Little things that add up to big things, which puts the success of the team on the defense and special teams - and they aren't going to bail you out every single week.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I've posted the facts and you have yet to respond to them in either thread. Why? Because you're the one that can't handle truth. Your only rebuttal for the past 2 months is "He wins. He's the 3rd winningest QB in the NFL." Dah dah dah. The Chiefs are the winners. Alex limps along with them. Get a ****ing clue about the game of football and some people might take you serious. It's obvious you've never played, and if you have it certainly wasn't past Pop Warner.

Your posts are softer than what others provide. Read the responses I've given to them, that should be sufficient.