Chiefs Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez - Page 14

Hammock Parties · 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM

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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-training-camp

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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

If RG3 and Luck had been available this year, there is NO WAY the Chiefs pass on them.

No ****ing way.

How about Cam Newton? Pretty damn talented guy, but seems to have an attitude problem! Uhoh, he might be too riskee!

How about Matt Stafford?

Matt Ryan?

It's ****ing easy to draft Andrew Luck. I'm beginning to question if Dorsey and Reid would be smart enough to draft "normal" QB talent that usually shows up at the #1 overall pick. Especially with the way they talk about Alex Smith and have all this confidence in him.

**SAUTO** · 08-03-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Its a QB looking great in a non contact situation.

So Alex Smith throwing to guys that aren't covered is the same as Geno throwing to guys in 11 on 11 drills?

Do you realize 11 on 11 means there is a defense out there trying to stop the guys from throwing and catching the ball?
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vailpass · 08-03-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Are you sure about that? Eric Fisher doesn't sound like he is tearing it up at camp to justify 1.1 pick so far. FN BS if he doesn't turn out to be a stud.

Not sure of anything til we see them play. But imho your front office knows football and you are light years ahead of where you were. That kid looks like a head case you don't want leading your team.

**DeezNutz** · 08-03-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

How about Cam Newton? Pretty damn talented guy, but seems to have an attitude problem! Uhoh, he might be too riskee!

How about Matt Stafford?

Matt Ryan?

It's ****ing easy to draft Andrew Luck. I'm beginning to question if Dorsey and Reid would be smart enough to draft "normal" QB talent that usually shows up at the #1 overall pick. Especially with the way they talk about Alex Smith and have all this confidence in him.

Stafford, yes. Ryan and Newton, no.

We would have heard that the bodies of work of the latter two "don't justify the draft position." Now, how that logic applies to various linemen is indeed mind bottling.

**the Talking Can** · 08-03-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then it's a pipe dream.

And I never said anything about keeping the Chiefs down. I also never said anything about saving money. It's about mitigating risk.

Luck and Griffin have polluted QB evaluation. It's not about whether the team would take the risk and do that. I'm sure they would, if someone of that caliber fell into their lap. Unfortunately players like that are extremely rare, and 9 times out of 10 if you're looking for a QB in the first you're left evaluating names like Matt Stafford and Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers and Ryan Tannehill and Mark Sanchez. Risky players, in other words.

This franchise? This franchise doesn't even get that far. There's no decision to make, not in the draft. Because they make trades for the Alex Smiths of the world in March. Or Matt Cassel. Or Trent Green. Because that's the safe approach. A known, if limited, quantity. Good enough to get by. But no potential for greatness. Because, let's face it, if these players had a potential for greatness, they wouldn't be available. Stories like Drew Brees are as rare as finding an Andrew Luck in the draft.

Can we win with an Alex Smith? Sure. Guys like that do back their way into the Superbowl from time to time. He should be "good enough" to keep the team competitive, albeit not perennially championship caliber. A safe choice that the fanbase will like, because he's a good guy who probably won't hurt the team with his play.

That's the script here, folks. We've seen it for, literally, decades.

drops mic....

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brando

Not saying he can't just simply pointing out that he has trouble with pressure, holds the ball too long and wasn't worth the first pick.

Bill Parcels, Sean Payton and Bill Polian all went to bat for Marrone. I have watched him take mediocre talent and make it look great at times. The fact that he shut down Geno 3x's and coached against him more than anyone else in the college ranks, then passed on him in the draft for EJ Manuel speaks volumes.

I take Doug Marrone, Andy Reid and John Dorsey's opinion over a bunch of message board experts any day.

Let's see how this plays out, however I'm confident that I'll be able to come back in several months and years and say I told you so.

Countdown until you guys start saying that the Jets ruined him.

Supposedly "brilliant" coaches pass on great QBs all the goddamned time. It's nothing new.

**Bwana** · 08-03-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I just can't take these Geno threads any longer. Seriously, why do any of you even care what he does at this point. He isn't a Chief and most likely never will be. Far as I'm concerned, I hope he fails miserably because I can't stand the Jets.

This

**** Geno Smith

**the Talking Can** · 08-03-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

wait a minute, the planet's new hero is outplaying the planets old hero?

...seems fitting... and pathetic.

yes, your boy Smith is outplaying your boy Cassel

**RealSNR** · 08-03-2013, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Not sure of anything til we see them play. But imho your front office knows football and you are light years ahead of where you were. That kid looks like a head case you don't want leading your team.

I knew Eric Fisher sucked, but I didn't know he was ALSO a head case. Wow, we really ****ed that one up.

beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

So Alex Smith throwing to guys that aren't covered is the same as Geno throwing to guys in 11 on 11 drills?

Do you realize 11 on 11 means there is a defense out there trying to stop the guys from throwing and catching the ball?
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And it both means absolutely jack and shit if hes wearing a red non contact jersey.

stevieray · 08-03-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

yes, your boy Smith is outplaying your boy Cassel

my boy?

**** off.

I haven't endorsed one move from the offseason.

**SAUTO** · 08-03-2013, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

And it both means absolutely jack and shit if hes wearing a red non contact jersey.

Are you serious here?

So just to be clear, you are of the opinion that 11 on 11 drills are a 1-1 comparison as a pro day throwing against air?

Please say you are kidding.
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**SAUTO** · 08-03-2013, 10:55 AM

What does a red non contact jersey have to do with db's trying to intercept a pass? You do realize the non contact jersey isn't being worn by the football, right?
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beach tribe · 08-03-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Are you serious here?

So just to be clear, you are of the opinion that 11 on 11 drills are a 1-1 comparison as a pro day throwing against air?

Please say you are kidding.
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Meaningless is meaningless
No incompletions vs no interceptions in Helmets and shorts.
Equally meaningless.

vailpass · 08-03-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I knew Eric Fisher sucked, but I didn't know he was ALSO a head case. Wow, we really ****ed that one up.

Sorry. Clumsy post. I was referring to Smith. IMHO Fisher was a good pick. You went with a QB now you have to protect him.

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