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Old 11-12-2024, 01:12 PM   #2071
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I wasn't a big Worthy fan pre-draft but I expected us to get more than we are getting.
Patrick has not been himself this year. He’s missed Worthy on multiple wide open deep shots this year.

He was 3 steps behind the defense vs Denver and SF and Mahomes made poor throws.
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Patrick has not been himself this year. He’s missed Worthy on multiple wide open deep shots this year.

He was 3 steps behind the defense vs Denver and SF and Mahomes made poor throws.
I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.
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I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.
It's 100 percent this. Part is not trusting wide outs. You can see he throws like he means it to dhop, Kelce and occasionally Watson. He's rarely using the rifle to throw to anyone else. But Not trusting his back side has him thinking about things other than the throw and coverage. I'd imagine we could get away with a sub par play at any other position on the line from what we've seen. I was not a Smith or OBJ fan but both of them had him more settled than what we've seen so far. They usually lost slow at the least.
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I blame it 100% on the LT. He has no confidence in his protection even when there actually is a pocket to move up into.
Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.
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Old 11-12-2024, 05:15 PM   #2075
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Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.

I've thought the same thing to be honest. On that throw it looks like he picks him up late and panics and tries to rip it in there.

He definitely seems like he's playing to not make a mistake instead of to make a play, which is crazy to think. I don't think he cares about stats, but I can imagine that his bad statistical season is something he does not want to see get worse. He could have easily had four touchdowns and a classic mahomes day.

Honestly, in some ways I'd rather this be the issue. We know what Pat is capable of. It's good to see that Worthy is getting open at times. He easily could have two more touchdowns and a hundred more yards just on those two plays being executed slightly differently from both parties.
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Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.
You nailed it. If Pat hits one deep I'm always surprised. That's all you gotta know.

I hope this offseason he shores up that part of his game because it's legit bad. Yes, when Reek was here it was better but that was Reek. NOt Pat. You can't overthrow Tyreek because his get off speed is insane. So Pat could hold it for a tad longer and then rip it and it worked.

Worthy takes longer to get to his top speed and he and Pat don't have this timed up.

But the ones he hit like in San Diego are RARE. And he shoulda easily hit the one Sunday.
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Yes, when Reek was here it was better but that was Reek. NOt Pat. You can't overthrow Tyreek because his get off speed is insane. So Pat could hold it for a tad longer and then rip it and it worked.
Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.
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They did. They just bet on themselves to rebuild his value in the aggregate.

They succeeded. Everything from that trade through Draft Day was a transcendent period in the Andy-Mahomes era. They traded a Hall of Fame player and elevated their Super Bowl winning team to a dynasty.
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Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.
The 13 second game never happens without Reek.
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Honestly, many times it felt like Tyreek was fielding punts out there... he would just go get the damn ball. He really was special. I wonder if the Chiefs realized how special he was as a WR when they let him walk. Sometimes you get spoiled.
I think they realized how special two Super Bowl trophies are
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Fellas - he hasn't had a good deep ball his entire career.

He just used to have Tyreek Hill out there flagging it down.

He needs to work on his deep ball technique. Probably can't be done until the offseason. But he throws it flat and always has.

O.City thinks he throws it that way because he's late to pull the trigger and has to get more on it. It's as logical a reason as any, really. I think he's just in love with his arm a bit and has never had a good 'run under' receiver - even Hill preferred to jump up and turn to catch it.

In either event, it's just a technique issue that he's going to want to work on. I see no reason to believe he can't eventually get it figured out but right now it's just not a club he has with any regularity.
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The 13 second game never happens without Reek.
The 49ers SB doesn't happen either. Obviously there's WASP but lets remember that we had the 1 seed that year because of a goddamn remarkable play from Reek (and Pat) in the Ravens game.

Without that, we're playing some road games in the post-season and we certainly don't have that cake-walk of a schedule with the way the seeding would've broken out.

I'll never shit on Tyreek (now, anyway. I shit on him plenty back before the details on his college stuff emerged). That dude was an animal for the Chiefs and helped lay the foundation of the team as it presently exists.

I'd love to get a farewell tour from him someday and still think we will.

Nor will I ever criticize Veach for dealing him - we did what we had to do.
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