Off Season Lets Talk Guns, Part 2

[HonestChieffan]

Been a while since we had a guns n' ammo discussion.


Some of you are AR shooters Im sure. Im looking at a Colt 6920. Will be my first AR. Picked up a Glock this fall and really enjoy shooting it. Any feedback on that weapon?



Anyone else been in a buy/sell/trade mood with hardware?

[George Liquor]

Originally Posted by mac459

I need to send my collection of 80% lowers to my cousin and have him use his CNC machine to mill them out for me. With the holidays here I keep buying more but not doing anything with them.

You will enjoy the 300 BLK, I really enjoy shooting mine.

RIP doggo

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by bigjosh

Shhhh, the ATF is listening.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Dude, REALLY. the last thing you want to have to do is actually shoot someone. The sound of pumping a shotgun will make nearly all intruders turn around and run away as fast as they can. Don't try to be 007.

Dude, my preference is not to shoot them. My preference is to get the drop on them and detain them until the police can arrive and arrest them. Scaring them out of the house leaves them unpunished for breaking in and free to keep breaking into other places. I'm after justice, not blood.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Dude, my preference is not to shoot them. My preference is to get the drop on them and detain them until the police can arrive and arrest them. Scaring them out of the house leaves them unpunished for breaking in and free to keep breaking into other places. I'm after justice, not blood.

I fully understand what you are saying - however, you are taking a large chance by attempting to detain an intruder. In todays' litigious society, more often than not, the homeowner will be sued for "denying the perp's "constitutional rights"".

I've read story after story about that very thing happening.

No one wants to shoot and kill anyone. Trust me when I tell you that it is something that you live with for the rest of your life. That being said, IF an intruder breaks into your home, shoot to kill and make damned sure that it happens. Remember the old saying "Dead men tell no tales".

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

I fully understand what you are saying - however, you are taking a large chance by attempting to detain an intruder. In todays' litigious society, more often than not, the homeowner will be sued for "denying the perp's "constitutional rights"".

I've read story after story about that very thing happening.

No one wants to shoot and kill anyone. Trust me when I tell you that it is something that you live with for the rest of your life. That being said, IF an intruder breaks into your home, shoot to kill and make damned sure that it happens. Remember the old saying "Dead men tell no tales".

I totally get what you are saying but if you shoot to kill but fail to kill you are most definitely going to get your ass sued off. Between the two suits I'd rather take my chances with detaining the intruder. Now if they are not obliged to be detained, I am prepaired (as much as one can be) to do what is necessary.

But you do raise an intersting issue; as much as we aren't the blood thirsty and wild west cowboys that certain people like to make us out to be, the current state of our society puts in a position where actually killing someone is our best option. The side that doesn't believe in the death penalty exaggerates and in some cases create rights that are then used to protect criminals and even help them win lawsuits against their would be victims forcing those would be victims to execute the death penalty at the time of the crime for THEIR OWN legal protection. I swear, the left cannot take more than three steps with out tripping over one of their self-created contradictions.

[Tombstone RJ]

Here’s the deal people: if an intruder enters your home, and you catch that intruder in the act of robbing your home or whatever, and you point a gun at said intruder, if that intruder flees, you have absolutely no right to shoot that intruder. At least, that’s the way the courts will see it. Now if that ain’t true or attacks you, or will not leave, you have a right to defend yourself and shoot the intruder, but if you don’t kill the intruder, you only injure that intruder, but in doing so you stop a crime from being committed, or the criminal from fleeing, The chance of the courts having sympathy on you greatly increases. The first thing you should do after shooting somebody, anybody, is call the police that is dial 911 and ask for law enforcement and an ambulance to get there immediately—as fast as possible. Then call your lawyer. Then tell the cops you were scared for your life and defending yourself and that you will cooperate fully once you have lawyered-the-hell up. Then, shut your pie hole.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Here’s the deal people: if an intruder enters your home, and you catch that intruder in the act of robbing your home or whatever, and you point a gun at said intruder, if that intruder flees, you have absolutely no right to shoot that intruder. At least, that’s the way the courts will see it. Now if that ain’t true or attacks you, or will not leave, you have a right to defend yourself and shoot the intruder, but if you don’t kill the intruder, you only injure that intruder, but in doing so you stop a crime from being committed, or the criminal from fleeing, The chance of the courts having sympathy on you greatly increases. The first thing you should do after shooting somebody, anybody, is call the police that is dial 911 and ask for law enforcement and an ambulance to get there immediately—as fast as possible. Then call your lawyer. Then tell the cops you were scared for your life and defending yourself and that you will cooperate fully once you have lawyered-the-hell up. Then, shut your pie hole.

And all of that is dependant on which state you reside in.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Here’s the deal people: if an intruder enters your home, and you catch that intruder in the act of robbing your home or whatever, and you point a gun at said intruder, if that intruder flees, you have absolutely no right to shoot that intruder. At least, that’s the way the courts will see it. Now if that ain’t true or attacks you, or will not leave, you have a right to defend yourself and shoot the intruder, but if you don’t kill the intruder, you only injure that intruder, but in doing so you stop a crime from being committed, or the criminal from fleeing, The chance of the courts having sympathy on you greatly increases. The first thing you should do after shooting somebody, anybody, is call the police that is dial 911 and ask for law enforcement and an ambulance to get there immediately—as fast as possible. Then call your lawyer. Then tell the cops you were scared for your life and defending yourself and that you will cooperate fully once you have lawyered-the-hell up. Then, shut your pie hole.

Does Colorado have a castle law?

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Here’s the deal people: if an intruder enters your home, and you catch that intruder in the act of robbing your home or whatever, and you point a gun at said intruder, if that intruder flees, you have absolutely no right to shoot that intruder. At least, that’s the way the courts will see it. Now if that ain’t true or attacks you, or will not leave, you have a right to defend yourself and shoot the intruder, but if you don’t kill the intruder, you only injure that intruder, but in doing so you stop a crime from being committed, or the criminal from fleeing, The chance of the courts having sympathy on you greatly increases. The first thing you should do after shooting somebody, anybody, is call the police that is dial 911 and ask for law enforcement and an ambulance to get there immediately—as fast as possible. Then call your lawyer. Then tell the cops you were scared for your life and defending yourself and that you will cooperate fully once you have lawyered-the-hell up. Then, shut your pie hole.

You shoot the asshole. If you have to shoot him 7 times, that is what you do. You tell the Police (who will be glad another low life is off the streets) that he "kept coming at me".

End of story - no charges filed.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

I totally get what you are saying but if you shoot to kill but fail to kill you are most definitely going to get your ass sued off. Between the two suits I'd rather take my chances with detaining the intruder. Now if they are not obliged to be detained, I am prepaired (as much as one can be) to do what is necessary.

But you do raise an intersting issue; as much as we aren't the blood thirsty and wild west cowboys that certain people like to make us out to be, the current state of our society puts in a position where actually killing someone is our best option. The side that doesn't believe in the death penalty exaggerates and in some cases create rights that are then used to protect criminals and even help them win lawsuits against their would be victims forcing those would be victims to execute the death penalty at the time of the crime for THEIR OWN legal protection. I swear, the left cannot take more than three steps with out tripping over one of their self-created contradictions.

Here's the thing. You hear a noise, the sound of breaking glass in your home. You grab your pistol, rifle, shotgun or slingshot. You leave your bedroom just in time to see the "bad guy" coming up the steps toward your bedroom. What do you do?

The threat is real. You begin shooting. In the excitement, you hit him once in the shoulder. What's next? Do you call 911? If you do, you WILL face legal action, I promise you. This piece of crap will own your house, your car, your future. Why? Because that's the society we live in today. Activist Judges DREAM of these circumstances.

So, what do you do? You stand where you were standing and you shoot the asshole right between the eyes. Takes guts, to be sure. But now he is dead and you are calling Servicemaster to clean up. The Police Detectives have taken statements from you - that you were protecting your family from this threat. The "evidence" is taken before the District Attorney and he will not prefer charges. You were well within your rights.

God forbid that this ever happens to you. But if it does - protect yourself and your future. You "owe" this asshole nothing.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

You shoot the asshole. If you have to shoot him 7 times, that is what you do. You tell the Police (who will be glad another low life is off the streets) that he "kept coming at me".

End of story - no charges filed.

Actually, you tell them nothing. Immediately invoke your right to counsel. My CC instructor, a former cop himself, was quite clear on that point. "Respectfully, sir, I invoke my right to counsel." Beyond that, let the evidence speak for itself.

Cop might be your friend. Cop might not be your friend. Or, more importantly, it may be department policy for the cop to not be your friend. Especially if you live in liberal shithole state like I do.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Frazod

Actually, you tell them nothing. Immediately invoke your right to counsel. My CC instructor, a former cop himself, was quite clear on that point. "Respectfully, sir, I invoke my right to counsel." Beyond that, let the evidence speak for itself.

Cop might be your friend. Cop might not be your friend. Or, more importantly, it may be department policy for the cop to not be your friend. Especially if you live in liberal shithole state like I do.

What I am about to type here - is NOT disrespectful. However, it IS from years as a Special Agent with the DIA and working with local law enforcement in several states across America:

Do not EVER trust a Police Officer. EVER. It is their job to get you to confess to whatever...and by ANY means necessary. They are allowed to lie directly to you. They are allowed to say whatever it takes to get you to "own up" to what you did, or did not do. One wrong answer that you may have inadvertently told them - in the confusion - could potentially mean felony charges against you.

That is the way our legal system is set up. Frazod is absolutely correct. If, God forbid, this ever happens to you - tell the Police that you will not answer ANY question until you have reached Counsel. The moment you ask for Counsel, they are "supposed" to stop any questioning. This RARELY happens. Say nothing - I say again - say nothing.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Randallflagg

What I am about to type here - is NOT disrespectful. However, it IS from years as a Special Agent with the DIA and working with local law enforcement in several states across America:

Do not EVER trust a Police Officer. EVER. It is there job to get you to confess to whatever...and by ANY means necessary. They are allowed to lie directly to you. They are allowed to say whatever it takes to get you to "own up" to what you did, or did not do. One wrong answer that you may have inadvertently told them - in the confusion - could potentially mean felony charges against you.

That is the way our legal system is set up. Frazod is absolutely correct. If, God forbid, this ever happens to you - tell the Police that you will not answer ANY question until you have reached Counsel. The moment you ask for Counsel, they are "supposed" to stop any questioning. This RARELY happens. Say nothing - I say again - say nothing.

Sad that it has to be that way - especially if you were completely in the right. It's human nature to want to explain what you did and why.

And they know that.

Even though you might be okay, and it rarely happens that somebody who kills an intruder gets sent to prison for it, it does happen.

And getting sued by the crack whore who shat the intruder out absolutely happens, too. And the state doesn't provide/pay for civil counsel - a second mortgage or selling your ****ing house does that.

Whether you're in your house or carrying legally outside of it, you never want to have to pull the trigger. But it beats getting killed, or losing control of a situation where you may likely get killed.

[Dunit35]

Picked up this beauty recently. 1917 Colt M1911 all original and correct. Had to sell a few pieces of my WWII collection to get it. Picked up a 1917 dated original US holster, WWI cartridge and 45 mag pouch belt, and four boxes of original sealed WWI era-1930’s 45 ammunition boxes marked “model 1911”.


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[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

Here’s the deal people: if an intruder enters your home, and you catch that intruder in the act of robbing your home or whatever, and you point a gun at said intruder, if that intruder flees, you have absolutely no right to shoot that intruder. At least, that’s the way the courts will see it. Now if that ain’t true or attacks you, or will not leave, you have a right to defend yourself and shoot the intruder, but if you don’t kill the intruder, you only injure that intruder, but in doing so you stop a crime from being committed, or the criminal from fleeing, The chance of the courts having sympathy on you greatly increases. The first thing you should do after shooting somebody, anybody, is call the police that is dial 911 and ask for law enforcement and an ambulance to get there immediately—as fast as possible. Then call your lawyer. Then tell the cops you were scared for your life and defending yourself and that you will cooperate fully once you have lawyered-the-hell up. Then, shut your pie hole.

I had a buddy in the mid-80s who shot guy in the ass with a .22 as he carried hid tv down the drive, and he got his ass sued.