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Old 04-25-2024, 09:24 PM  
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Oh hey look. Worthy with an excellent route to get open and the QB just misses him again.

How many times are we gonna show Worthy getting open and the QB missing him before we admit there’s a QB problem?

All the “”Worthy regressing” talk is misinformed. He’s open. Every. Single. Game.

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Oh hey look. Worthy with an excellent route to get open and the QB just misses him again.

How many times are we gonna show Worthy getting open and the QB missing him before we admit there’s a QB problem?

All the “”Worthy regressing” talk is misinformed. He’s open. Every. Single. Game.
Might be fair to say that Worthy's route was too slow to develop there. Not sure if that was design or execution or what, but Worthy was way late to even get into that route.

That was one of those Skyy Moore "look at the separation!!!" routes where I think the issue was timing. It's possible that Worthy's entire purpose there was to A) draw coverage out of the middle of the field and then B) make him self available as part of a scramble drill that simply never materialized.

I think there's been quite a bit of really bad analysis of this game, to be honest. Even some of the conclusions that agree with me have relied on really tenuous logic.
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Old 11-12-2024, 09:37 AM   #2043
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My God Patrick wtf. 4 wide open TD’s missed on Sunday. How could he have missed Hopkins here? Good Lord.

I get the LT wasn’t good but fire that sumbitch in there man.
That one is rough.

Based on the flat footed LB and S drifting backward, Pat should have anticipated Hopkins clearing and coming open. He appears to be looking right at that bunch.

I have to assume he was actually peeking at the pass rush. Or he figured the outside CB would drop into coverage and undercut Hopkins’ route..? Idk. That’s what I would assume given how the LB and S react post-snap.

Even if that’s the case, Pat has the arm to rifle a throw in there that only Hop could catch.
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Oh, I see there was an end zone view on that video as well..

He never even looked at Hopkins. He was locked in on Kelce.

Obviously I’m just guessing but I bet he knew about the TD record and tried force feeding it to Kelce there.
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Oh, I see there was an end zone view on that video as well..

He never even looked at Hopkins. He was locked in on Kelce.

Obviously I’m just guessing but I bet he knew about the TD record and tried force feeding it to Kelce there.
Good catch.

As soon as he sees the DB get underneath the rub and stay in Kelce's pocket, he tucks and runs.

1 read and jet - don't love seeing that.
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Good catch.

As soon as he sees the DB get underneath the rub and stay in Kelce's pocket, he tucks and runs.

1 read and jet - don't love seeing that.
It's been a problem the last 2 years. He just leaves so quick, I don't care for it.
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Old 11-12-2024, 10:02 AM   #2047
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"The protection is why he's jumpy!!"

Did you see the absolute SHOT that Kyler Murray took this week? Some guy came off the edge just completely untouched and hit Murray so hard directly through the back of him that his helmet flew off and rolled 10 yards. It was a 90s era QB demolition.

2 plays later he stood in against pressure and threw an absolute dime to McBride to keep the drive going.

Guys, QBs get hit and oftentimes they get hit pretty damn hard. I've NEVER seen Mahomes take the kind of shot Murray took there. And Murray shook it off.

Mahomes is gonna get hit some. We need to accept that. So does he.

He left 15 points on the field yesterday. At least. And yes, he was responsible for one very good play to Perine (and had another couple solid ones in there as well) but like I said, that's just the NFL game now. If your QB can't make a handful of those plays every game, your QB needs to be replaced.

What is presently separating the good from the great isn't the ability to make those plays off script. What it is right now is the willingness to stand in there and rip the ball into tight windows that open up in these zone concepts that everyone's running.

Mahomes wasn't doing that yesterday. He was tentative from the opening snap. Folks wanna blame Kingsley but Mahomes was tentative on the first couple drives when Morris was in there as well.
I am fine with Patrick being cautious and not taking big hits to win regular season games. Especially when we're winning anyway. Let other QBs be heroes and be beat to shit come playoff time. We know Patrick can flip the switch when it matters. That's not excusing missed reads, but if he's more focused than is ideal on not getting beat up, I trust that it's a choice to prioritize the playoffs. He did it last year, too.
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Oh hey look. Worthy with an excellent route to get open and the QB just misses him again.

How many times are we gonna show Worthy getting open and the QB missing him before we admit there’s a QB problem?

All the “”Worthy regressing” talk is misinformed. He’s open. Every. Single. Game.
I think the poor LT play has him seeing ghosts. When that happens he tends to default to Kelce as he always has regardless of whether he’s open or not.
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I am fine with Patrick being cautious and not taking big hits to win regular season games. Especially when we're winning anyway. Let other QBs be heroes and be beat to shit come playoff time. We know Patrick can flip the switch when it matters. That's not excusing missed reads, but if he's more focused than is ideal on not getting beat up, I trust that it's a choice to prioritize the playoffs. He did it last year, too.


Not disagreeing, and let's remember Pat has a dinged up ankle; he's probably not excited about getting hit, maybe having some 300-lb. dude/multiple dudes land on top of him/his ankle. Maybe that's making him a little skittish as well, who knows?


But it's also a documented fact that Pat sometimes just gets happy feet and bails early for no real reason. Been doing it his entire career. It's like he anticipates the protection breaking down and tries to get ahead of it. Sees ghosts, I guess. He just usually fixes it eventually.


Man, I had a feeling DHop got open on that one EZ play, though the broadcast version didn't show it. Makes me cringe to see him standing there wide open with his hands in the air while Pat runs away from him. Ack.
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Not disagreeing, and let's remember Pat has a dinged up ankle; he's probably not excited about getting hit, maybe having some 300-lb. dude/multiple dudes land on top of him/his ankle. Maybe that's making him a little skittish as well, who knows?


But it's also a documented fact that Pat sometimes just gets happy feet and bails early for no real reason. Been doing it his entire career. It's like he anticipates the protection breaking down and tries to get ahead of it. Sees ghosts, I guess. He just usually fixes it eventually.


Man, I had a feeling DHop got open on that one EZ play, though the broadcast version didn't show it. Makes me cringe to see him standing there wide open with his hands in the air while Pat runs away from him. Ack.
Yet he'll scramble and try do to pull some pirouette to pick up a first down?

Wanna get your ankle dicked up? Keep leaving the pocket. That's a HELL of a lot more likely to get that ankle wrenched than standing tall and firing is.

It's no different than the QB sneak. Our refusal to just let him sneak the ball has gotten him blasted on speed options and bootlegs a half dozen times.

You're gonna get hit out there. Trying to avoid one kind of contact is just going to subject you to some other, likely more unnatural, form of it.
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That's an Alex Smith pumpkin performance from Pat.
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Yet he'll scramble and try do to pull some pirouette to pick up a first down?

Wanna get your ankle dicked up? Keep leaving the pocket. That's a HELL of a lot more likely to get that ankle wrenched than standing tall and firing is.

It's no different than the QB sneak. Our refusal to just let him sneak the ball has gotten him blasted on speed options and bootlegs a half dozen times.

You're gonna get hit out there. Trying to avoid one kind of contact is just going to subject you to some other, likely more unnatural, form of it.

I'd agree with all of that. I'm just saying, when you're hurt, you sometimes act instinctively to protect yourself. It may not be the smartest thing or the most rational thing, but sometimes the anticipation of pain can make a person do dumb/irrational things in the heat of the moment.

I mean, I'm pretty sure that Pat knows that he did plenty of irrational things in that game that he'd love to be able to go back and change.
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Not disagreeing, and let's remember Pat has a dinged up ankle; he's probably not excited about getting hit, maybe having some 300-lb. dude/multiple dudes land on top of him/his ankle. Maybe that's making him a little skittish as well, who knows?


But it's also a documented fact that Pat sometimes just gets happy feet and bails early for no real reason. Been doing it his entire career. It's like he anticipates the protection breaking down and tries to get ahead of it. Sees ghosts, I guess. He just usually fixes it eventually.


Man, I had a feeling DHop got open on that one EZ play, though the broadcast version didn't show it. Makes me cringe to see him standing there wide open with his hands in the air while Pat runs away from him. Ack.
I think last year I got pissed about the nameless D Coordinator calling Mahomes a 1-read QB, but this year its been mostly true? Sometimes he'll get through his reads, other times its 1 read and then bail the pocket, whether there's pressure or not. Protection has been iffy this year, but its not like we have the worst line in the league either, its acceptable. Nothings changed, other than Mahomes being too much in his own head.
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It sounds dumb but I wish I could chain his legs down at the end of his dropback. Just force him to live in the pocket and solve his problems from there without his legs bailing him out.

Like, father time is going to catch him eventually, he's gotta learn to stand in there longer at some point.
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