*****The Xavier Worthy Thread*****

[Dante84]

More to come!

Spoiler!

Text from an AFC GM on the #Chiefs getting Xavier Worthy: “FU** me” https://t.co/IjLQ7xeN37

— Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) April 26, 2024

Xavier Worthy - WR, UT

- Early career production
- Dynamic threat downfield & after the catch
- Elite speed & start-stop ability
- Fluid mover w/ good route running chops
- Ball tracking is A+

Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher when talking about him in the WR class. pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh

— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) February 26, 2024

The only one Worthy.

With the 28th pick in the NFL Draft, we have selected @XavierWorthy! pic.twitter.com/enRBDQAVA5

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) April 26, 2024

I'll write something fresh about Worthy tomorrow morning now that he's a Chief to lay out how he's more than speed, but for now here's an excerpt from article linked in the below tweet... https://t.co/EcW7QtUrFF pic.twitter.com/811ahCEfMS

— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) April 26, 2024

Welcome to Kansas City Xavier Worthy

Here’s how the draft party reacted to X’s name being called #HookEm | #Texas pic.twitter.com/eCnu8W7Rrb

— Cory Mose (@Cory_Mose) April 26, 2024

Kansas City Chiefs add some serious speed in Xavier Worthy https://t.co/ZbhUUQwa32 pic.twitter.com/8D6v8ecd4j

— Reception Perception (@RecepPerception) April 26, 2024

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

I don't think Mahomes will come anywhere close to Rodgers in terms of attitude or how he carries himself.

I was speaking more on Rodger's mentality of, "Mind meld with me like Adams or you're not doing it right".

Rodgers had Mike Williams traded because he wasn't mind melding.

Sometimes you just gotta **** off with the super advanced play, and just put the damn ball on the guy.

I feel like this year there's been a lot of, "I know the route calls for you to go outside, but i wanted you to come back inside", even though outside woulda worked fine if you just threw it.

Rodgers does that shit due to his elite level of understanding. Mahomes is at that elite level too. But sometimes you can't mind meld everyone, and you have to just be willing to sling it in there even if it isn't the perfect spot, or exactly where you want the receiver to be.

I feel like for the past 2-seasons Mahomes has been at this elite level of reading defenses, so much so that at times he comes off reads too quickly, or completely rules routes out prior to the snap rather than reading them in motion. Hence why we come back and say, "he was wide open and Mahomes didn't even look his way"

And unless you have a vintage Dhop or Adams etc, it's not realistic to ask that of your receivers all the time.

The throw to Kelce where he missed high. He overthought it. He said he thought a S was coming in.

The missed throw to Worthy at the back of the endzone.....there's examples of this every game. Just overthinking shit.

Here's what I will say.

Mahomes definitely has had 2 back to back bad years, but I don't think Receievers being unable to "mind-meld" with Mahomes immediately is the big reason why he's missing receivers.

If I'm going purely based off memory, one of Mahomes favorite receivers in the 2018-2020 era was DRob.

DRob. Of all people. Was actually a reliable deep threat and decent receiver for us. Are we really going to assume DRob has this "higher level" understanding of defenses like Kelce does?

Mahomes just hasn't been playing free at all the last 2 years. He won't stand in there and sling it with confidence. He's definitely overthinking it, but I don't think it's because of an insistence on "mind-meld". One thing for sure, we need to get a better solution at LT in the offseason. The interior OL, for all the talent there, has also given up tons of pressure, and Mahomes himself is holding on to the ball way too long and running from pressure that isn't there.

He can turn it back on, we've seen it. But I'd call it a case of the yips and lack of confidence rather than an imperialistic "you better read my mind or I won't throw to you"

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

No, it's not. He's playing like a middle range QB right now.

Dudes are out here ripping off 400 yard games and when we get a 250 yard game we're like, "AWW YEAH, the magic is back, baby"

Right. But in your own words, a middle range QB is far different than ****ing sucks.

Middle range QB gets us to 9-0. Hell, Alex got us to these peaks a few times in his career with nearly identical play.

“****ing sucks” is the type of online hyperbole that makes sports Twitter unusable right now. We’ve had QB’s like that. That’s Palko, that’s Cassel, that’s Danny Dimes today.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

Sometimes you just gotta **** off with the super advanced play, and just put the damn ball on the guy.

I whole-heartedly agree with you Tox.

If you listen to the pressers, Mahomes has mentioned whatever it takes to win. Doesn’t matter to him what he does as long as he wins.

I think it’s a culmination of things. The INT’s piling up, having a great defense the last 2 years, not putting that defense in a bad place like he did in Vegas.

They’ve changed the identity due to personnel. But it still bothers me that he’s being more conservative.

In camp Nagy and Andy both pushed Patrick to throw it deep. I think losing Hollywood Brown and Rashee Rice has played a major part in this. Seems like he’s having to for a relationship with key guys like Hopkins and Worthy on the fly.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Right. But in your own words, a middle range QB is far different than ****ing sucks.

Middle range QB gets us to 9-0. Hell, Alex got us to these peaks a few times in his career with nearly identical play.

“****ing sucks” is the type of online hyperbole that makes sports Twitter unusable right now. We’ve had QB’s like that. That’s Palko, that’s Cassel, that’s Danny Dimes right now.

Sure. You're right. Maybe, "He sucks RN", is too much. But the point im driving home is that he's not playing to an MVP level, he's not playing to HIS level, and it's affecting the offensive performance.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

Sure. You're right. Maybe, "He sucks RN", is too much. But the point im driving home is that he's not playing to an MVP level, he's not playing to HIS level, and it's affecting the offensive performance.

100% agreed.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

DRob. Of all people. Was actually a reliable deep threat and decent receiver for us. Are we really going to assume DRob has this "higher level" understanding of defenses like Kelce does?

Drob is a great example and im glad you brought him up, because i had him in my mind when i made my posts.

No one thinks Drob and a young Mahomes were mind melding. Mahomes was letting that shit rip. That's what im talking about.

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

He can turn it back on, we've seen it. But I'd call it a case of the yips and lack of confidence rather than an imperialistic "you better read my mind or I won't throw to you"

I don't think he has the yips nor do i think he lacks confidence. I think he's at such an advanced level that it's taking from his instincts. The game has slowed down for him so much that he's no longer relying on his talent, but often times OVERTHINKING things when a high velocity throw in the moment is all he really needed.

He has admitted that in his younger days he couldnt read a defense and he was just slinging it. Pure talent.

Now, he has such an advanced understanding that he's litterally dismissing routes based off of pre-reads and not allowing the play to develop; sometimes the defense disguises well, or sometimes the defense just flat out blows a coverage.

He thinks he sees a S about to break on Kelce so he throws it high, when all he really needed to do was peg him between the numbers.

Mahomes is in that awkward stage of elite football IQ and just loosely wheelin' and dealin'.

I think that what we are witnessing are those growing pains and his BEST seasons are still ahead of us.

But in the mean time, this is what we're getting. It's not great. But maybe necessary.

But lets stop blaming protections, schemes and receivers and acknowlede it for what it is.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

Mahomes sucks this year.

Whatever. Flame me. It is what it is. And he's been regressing on a yearly basis.

Tired of ignoring the elephant in the room. He needs to be better. Period. Stop blaming protections and WR's and coverages. He ****ing sucks this year.

KC Commection will be along tp mention QBR 100 times

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

Drob is a great example and im glad you brought him up, because i had him in my mind when i made my posts.

No one thinks Drob and a young Mahomes were mind melding. Mahomes was letting that shit rip. That's what im talking about.




I don't think he has the yips nor do i think he lacks confidence. I think he's at such an advanced level that it's taking from his instincts. The game has slowed down for him so much that he's no longer relying on his talent, but often times OVERTHINKING things when a high velocity throw in the moment is all he really needed.

He has admitted that in his younger days he couldnt read a defense and he was just slinging it. Pure talent.

Now, he has such an advanced understanding that he's litterally dismissing routes based off of pre-reads and not allowing the play to develop; sometimes the defense disguises well, or sometimes the defense just flat out blows a coverage.

He thinks he sees a S about to break on Kelce so he throws it high, when all he really needed to do was peg him between the numbers.

Mahomes is in that awkward stage of elite football IQ and just loosely wheelin' and dealin'.

I think that what we are witnessing are those growing pains and his BEST seasons are still ahead of us.

But in the mean time, this is what we're getting. It's not great. But maybe necessary.

But lets stop blaming protections, schemes and receivers and acknowlede it for what it is.

I honestly agree with all of this except the protection part. I will hold firm on that. I need to find the stats but Mahomes has been hurried and beat to hell the last 2 years.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Getting really annoyed with the “Worthy regressing” and especially the “Worthy connection isn’t there what’s wrong with the kid” propaganda because quite honestly there is an issue with the connection between the two and it ain’t Worthy.

Mahomes missed Worthy on 2 wide open TD’s yesterday. Oh and Mahomes was not under pressure either time when Worthy was open. Two horrible throws man.

This kid is open multiple times every single game man

Missed him here too unfortunately pic.twitter.com/jtDCEE9Kub

— Andy Reid’s Mustache (@JT4630) November 11, 2024

On the 2nd one, why did worthy curl back?

[O.city]

I don't know what it is, but he's been bad.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by -King-

On the 2nd one, why did worthy curl back?

I assume he noticed Pat rolling to his right and wanted to work toward the sideline with him.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Getting really annoyed with the “Worthy regressing” and especially the “Worthy connection isn’t there what’s wrong with the kid” propaganda because quite honestly there is an issue with the connection between the two and it ain’t Worthy.

Mahomes missed Worthy on 2 wide open TD’s yesterday. Oh and Mahomes was not under pressure either time when Worthy was open. Two horrible throws man.

This kid is open multiple times every single game man

Missed him here too unfortunately pic.twitter.com/jtDCEE9Kub

— Andy Reid’s Mustache (@JT4630) November 11, 2024

Get annoyed by it all you want. They're not mutually exclusive concepts. Worthy has struggled multiple times with basics like footwork and actually catching the ball when it does hit him in the hands.

[O.city]

Pat plays his best when he's comfortable in the pocket. The running around stuff has to come later, not be used as a crutch.

Look at that first video how terrible his mechanics are. Pump fake, then just breaks down and has to reset.

It's the LT spot, but it's all a cascade. Not everything is gonna work for you man, you gotta hang in there.

[KC Shox]

It’s a combination of Mahomes’ having a case of ‘happy feet’ due to disgusting pass protection and always under duress with another year of having subpar wide receivers struggling to get open. It’s going to be another year imitating the Alex Smith years of dink-and-dunk offense and relying on our defense to keep the opponent’s score low enough to win games.

[Chiefspants]

Screw that. He needs to keep heaving it to Worthy. He’s tried a deep ball to him at least once a game and the good news is that he’s not giving up. They’ll eventually figure it out.