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Old 04-28-2022, 09:16 PM  
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Old 12-14-2022, 04:45 PM   #2011
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not too many rookies come out and lead the league in sacks. He's up there in pressures, which should be a good sign. But as you can see with Chris Jones (wanting him traded for not getting a sack vs the Bengals), it's really all about the sacks to 90% of fans.

It seems like he's having a solid rookie season tbh, he'll develop into a 10 sack guy. It's not like we are dealing with tyson jackson here.
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Old 12-14-2022, 04:58 PM   #2012
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Trey Hendrickson : 32"

George Karlaftis: 32 5/8"
So, both have them.
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I would think that with an off-season strength and conditioning program, OTA's, mini-camps, and training camp, plus just not being a rookie anymore, is going to turn this man into a monster DE. But that's JMO.
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Old 12-14-2022, 05:34 PM   #2015
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It's not like we are dealing with tyson jackson here.
Mother****ing this.

If you wanna know a 1st round DL bust looks like his rookie year, look at mother****ing Tyson Jackson.

Yeah i get it, different schemes/roles/player type...but my gawd the difference is night and day.
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George has literally been in the NFL for 3.5 months. You can't say what a rookie is, or isn't, after 14 weeks. He's been doing well creating pressures (i can't remember if he's leading all rooks or he's 2nd now) and he's been pretty good vs. the run. He has great core strength, a great motor, a pretty good tackler, and from what I can tell a pretty high football IQ.

We'll see how he develops over the next year or so, but I'm optimistic at this point.
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George has literally been in the NFL for 3.5 months. You can't say what a rookie is, or isn't, after 14 weeks.
No, that's not true. I can definitely say his floor is already greater than Tyson Jackson's ceiling.
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No, that's not true. I can definitely say his floor is already greater than Tyson Jackson's ceiling.
Lol, okay, let's go with that.
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George has literally been in the NFL for 3.5 months. You can't say what a rookie is, or isn't, after 14 weeks. He's been doing well creating pressures (i can't remember if he's leading all rooks or he's 2nd now) and he's been pretty good vs. the run. He has great core strength, a great motor, a pretty good tackler, and from what I can tell a pretty high football IQ.

We'll see how he develops over the next year or so, but I'm optimistic at this point.
Sacks are fairly easy to understand and they're clearly important/emotional (crowd response). Pressures etc. are a tad more difficult to understand/appreciate, so it's not surprising that Chief Fan wouldn't understand/appreciate their value.
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Sacks are fairly easy to understand and they're clearly important/emotional (crowd response). Pressures etc. are a tad more difficult to understand/appreciate, so it's not surprising that Chief Fan wouldn't understand/appreciate their value.
I appreciate pass pressure because a lot of times that leads to a hurried pass and incomplesion possible interception or intentional grounding. Pressure leads to mistakes by the quarterback. Knocking down the quarterback as he gets rid of the ball and no flag the quarterback feels that and can get him rattled.
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Old 12-14-2022, 07:25 PM   #2021
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I appreciate pass pressure because a lot of times that leads to a hurried pass and incomplesion possible interception or intentional grounding. Pressure leads to mistakes by the quarterback. Knocking down the quarterback as he gets rid of the ball and no flag the quarterback feels that and can get him rattled.



Finish the play. . Deforest Buckner had great pressure against Patrick in SB LIV all day then Jet Chip Wasp happened.
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Finish the play. . Deforest Buckner had great pressure against Patrick in SB LIV all day then Jet Chip Wasp happened.
Sure, but the odds swing heavily towards it benefitting the defense. Chris Jones had pressure on Jimmy G. and it led to a huge interception in the first half of the Super Bowl.

There are... other playoff examples, but I'd prefer to keep my examples to pro-Kansas City ones.
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Here's the thing: According to ESPN, the top 15 EDGEs in the league historically only "finish the play," about 17% of the time. Probably not a great idea to hang your hat on the idea that your EDGEs are going to get sacks on a consistent basis.

But making a QB make a mistake by getting pressure on him is easier to do, plus if a DB gets a pick, the odds of being able to run it back or at least greatly change field position is much higher.
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Here's the thing: According to ESPN, the top 15 EDGEs in the league historically only "finish the play," about 17% of the time. Probably not a great idea to hang your hat on the idea that your EDGEs are going to get sacks on a consistent basis.

But making a QB make a mistake by getting pressure on him is easier to do, plus if a DB gets a pick, the odds of being able to run it back or at least greatly change field position is much higher.
Batted down passes are a great stat to show George has been way above average.
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Here's the thing: According to ESPN, the top 15 EDGEs in the league historically only "finish the play," about 17% of the time. Probably not a great idea to hang your hat on the idea that your EDGEs are going to get sacks on a consistent basis.

But making a QB make a mistake by getting pressure on him is easier to do, plus if a DB gets a pick, the odds of being able to run it back or at least greatly change field position is much higher.

Karlaftis has had multiple chances with Chris Jones being doubled and tripled and more whiffs and being a step behind than anything else. Stop with the homer stuff, because we are all complaining about the passrush or does Karlaftis JAG play counts as a scratch because he's a white guy lunch pale type.
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