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SI Article: Chiefs need to change from efficient to explosive on offense
Can’t they be both… efficiently explosive?
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If the argument was it was because of Rice, after the Baltimore season opener, the next two games WITH Rice Mahomes YPA was 6 against the Bengals then dropped below 6 against the Falcons. I don't think it's any one thing. Probably weapons, OL. But coaching too has to reviewed. The offense they have chosen, even when they have lesser opponents is one of the lowest attack yards in the league.
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I know they weren't exactly leaning into him much early on, but I think they always kinda thought they could. And then when the bullets started flying and he was really struggling to raise his level of play, that knocked ANOTHER leg out from under PM's stool. The burst was waning a bit in 2023 but you still saw it. What I noticed with Kelce was mostly that he moved in straight lines more than he had in years past. And got tired more often. But there was still burst there. This year it was just never there at all. They had to build the plane while they were flying it and it just never had the engines to go supersonic. I don't really know how that's at all difficult for some people to grasp. Did they not WATCH this season?
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There's nothing new under the sun with them. You need space, time and speed. They're pretty easy to put together because you have a lot of room to work with down the field and fewer bodies to navigate. The ball's in the air longer allowing for more adjustments by pass catchers. The timing doesn't have to be as precise because there's too much that happens in the route for those to really be strict timing routes. Downfield passing is pretty basic shit if you have the manpower to do it. They didn't FORGET how to draw up those concepts. There's a reason they weren't using them. I don't think it's because they wanted to neuter Mahomes. I don't think it's because, after years of believing otherwise, they decided that spreading teams out and attacking all areas of the field was now stupid. It's pretty much been fundamental to how Andy has done things his entire career -- attack EVERY blade of grass, laterally AND horizontally. Personnel issues make all the sense in the world. And, again, Patrick. He's going to have a bigger influence over whether the ball goes down the field than the coaching staff would. They're never gonna call All-Verts and just not give him underneath options. If the reason the ball wasn't going downfield is that PM wouldn't throw it - that's NOT on the coaching staff, that's on the QB. WR, LT and QB are all culprits I'd be looking at w/r/t the downfield passing game before I'd look at coaching. Because again, there's just nothing remotely complicated about drawing up a downfield passing attack. Executing it is where the problems come in and execution is going to be personnel 9 times out of 10.
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Where did I say it was complicated? You say they want to attack but the numbers don't bear that out. This can't be all weapons as I demonstrated with Rice and Worthy and Kelce on the field they were throwing for 6 YPA or less right after the season opener.
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I don't know what the hell happened to Hopkins. He looked fine for a little bit then got to the point he was barely even playing. Wondering if that knee injury got reaggravated.
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It's not ALL any one thing. It's several things piled together and you do the best you can. I really don't understand why people don't get it.
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Reid came back with a strong 2022 using MVS as mostly a decoy with an offense that would go through Kelce, JuJu, and the backs. It worked quite well as teams still played us as the Super Chiefs and we ate up the shell coverages. Problem is we haven't done anything great since. In 2023 teams started to walk up as they saw how terrible the weapons were. And now the easy short gains weren't so easy. Since 2023 we look like a stale version of 2022. Dink and dunk offense that isn't that effective as teams realized we aren't actually explosive or dangerous.
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Andy’s Achilles heal is being used against him as well. We tried to run the ball only 1 time in the first 12 plays before Patrick’s pick 6 to put the game out of reach.
Even with the problems we had, you can’t make your team one dimensional. The Eagles didn’t even care to defend the run and simply pinned their ears back which just exacerbate s the struggling QB and OL.
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Which is why our performance vs. the Eagles D was such a head scratcher. Pat had all the answers - it was his performance that was piss poor. There's a number of vids out there suggesting Pat may have been concussed during the very first drive. I doubt it but it sure would explain a lot.
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What happened was NOT the plan. It's pretty amazing what they were able to accomplish considering everything that went wrong. Show me ANY team that made it to the super bowl after losing it's top two receivers and started 5 left tackles. It is what it is. There's no massive failing here. We just didn't quite have the horses to get over the line. |
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Nobody loves Kareem Hunt more than I do. I really believe without him we wouldn't have gotten as far as we did this season. But we need a bigger threat at RB next year. I'm fine with Pacheco and/or Hunt having a role but we need someone defenses have to be at least a little concerned about.
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