2014-2015 NBA regular season thread.

[Al Bundy]

I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

Introducing the brand new Charlotte #HornetsUnis! http://t.co/MgHy2DcOTX pic.twitter.com/w59MlUvRgd

— Charlotte Hornets (@hornets) June 19, 2014

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by RustShack

We need defense a lot more than we need another stretch 4. And I was more talking about Bennett looking great in games, but Wiggins looks great from a physical standpoint and some of the crazy things he's been doing. But yes Wiggins has had some nice shots, not all of them from 3.

"Both shooting the three very well"

Just admit that you saw one highlight of a made 3.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I don't like that for the Rockets. Harden isn't going to thrive off the ball. Plus, who are you giving up to get Rondo. Kevin Love would be a better fit, but the Rockets don't have the assets to aquire him without breaking up the core.

I don't get why the Rockets didn't at least trade Chandler Parsons. Obviously, he was coveted and made less than a million this year. I kept hearing to clear cap room, but don't you opt in and trade him for picks after you make the deal? Presti has been slammed for the Harden trade, rightfully so to a degree. Morey has got his dick sucked. The return on the Harden trade wasn't great yet, but they have Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb from it. The Rockets got jack shit for Parsons. OKC has gone to the WCF 3 out of 4 years. Houston hasn't won a playoff game.

Morey says their goal isn't to pay Chandler Parsons, but find the next Chandler Parsons. Hmmm, I was told last week he wasn't cheap. Maybe there is more involved than some fantasy GMs around here would like to admit?

I'm not totally defending Presti either. He has made some glaring mistakes. All in all he's doing better than most.

Morey definitely rolled the dice with Parsons and got burned. But he did so with the intent of getting a Melo or Bosh, then matching any Parsons offer. Once they didn't get the big guns they were after, they decided Parsons wasn't a max player and they'd get 80% of Parsons at 50% of the cost with Ariza. It didn't work out for him, but he's swinging for the fences. He's made moves that can be criticized, no doubt. But I like that he's willing to take the big risk to hit it big.

On the flip side, Presti is more measured. Different strokes....

[Al Bundy]

I read another thing about a hold up in the Love to Warriors trade. The Warriors are over valuing David Lee while the Wolves consider him just an expensive throw in.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by KevB

Morey definitely rolled the dice with Parsons and got burned. But he did so with the intent of getting a Melo or Bosh, then matching any Parsons offer. Once they didn't get the big guns they were after, they decided Parsons wasn't a max player and they'd get 80% of Parsons at 50% of the cost with Ariza. It didn't work out for him, but he's swinging for the fences. He's made moves that can be criticized, no doubt. But I like that he's willing to take the big risk to hit it big.

On the flip side, Presti is more measured. Different strokes....

Right but they had the option to pick up Parsons last year at 900k then trade him if they needed too. At least thats my understanding. I think it was a mistake to not get assets in return. I understand a GM like Morey is exciting for fans, but he has changed the roster so drastically they are like a new team every year.

Another thing about going after Rondo. I see he and Dwight clashing bigtime after a few months. I just think Morey is flashy and doesn't put a lot of thought into how the roster is constructed.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

"Both shooting the three very well"

Just admit that you saw one highlight of a made 3.

I will. The tweets I was reading at the start if the game were deceiving I guess, must have been his first few shots he hit. But I had heard nothing but rave reviews in every aspect especially dunking and defense through practice before the games started.

But yes the videos I've seen have him have been sick so far. Yes his offense will be a project for a few years, but he will be able to defend already. That will be huge to have both James and Wiggins who can defend the Wings.

Bennett is also in beast mode this off season. He's out to prove everyone wrong and will. Sure he more than likely won't be as good as Love, but he's going to be pretty good.

I'd love to get Love obviously, but they are going to have to lower their asking price. Orlando had to for Howard, and the thunder did for Harden. They can play hard ball a little longer, but if they keep putting it off they will settle for less than they are being offered now.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

I read another thing about a hold up in the Love to Warriors trade. The Warriors are over valuing David Lee while the Wolves consider him just an expensive throw in.

I've also seen Kevin Martins contract that the T'Wolves are trying to unload is holding it up as well.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

This. I honestly don't see the hype over Wiggins. He's a talent for sure. But there's no way I'd let him keep me from getting an in prime Kevin Love. I didn't see enough out of him in college for me to think he'll be a KD or LBJ or any generational player.

Wiggins could be an elite defender and he's already NBA ready in that regard.

At worst, Wiggins is an elite defender, great system guy, and an effective 15 PPG scorer which is a great guy to have. At best, and his ceiling is enormous, he matches elite defense with offensive playmaking ability. Could easily develop into a max contract guy for a team that values defense.

I want to keep Wiggins because I think he's critical to keeping Lebron's legs fresh.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I don't like that for the Rockets. Harden isn't going to thrive off the ball. Plus, who are you giving up to get Rondo. Kevin Love would be a better fit, but the Rockets don't have the assets to aquire him without breaking up the core.

I don't get why the Rockets didn't at least trade Chandler Parsons. Obviously, he was coveted and made less than a million this year. I kept hearing to clear cap room, but don't you opt in and trade him for picks after you make the deal? Presti has been slammed for the Harden trade, rightfully so to a degree. Morey has got his dick sucked. The return on the Harden trade wasn't great yet, but they have Steven Adams and Jeremy Lamb from it. The Rockets got jack shit for Parsons. OKC has gone to the WCF 3 out of 4 years. Houston hasn't won a playoff game.

Morey says their goal isn't to pay Chandler Parsons, but find the next Chandler Parsons. Hmmm, I was told last week he wasn't cheap. Maybe there is more involved than some fantasy GMs around here would like to admit?

I'm not totally defending Presti either. He has made some glaring mistakes. All in all he's doing better than most.

Having a pair of lousy shooters (Howard, Rondo) among your "big 3" isn't really a good idea, especially in crunch time. I don't see this deal, at least in the forms I've seen put out there, working out for either team.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Al Bundy

I read another thing about a hold up in the Love to Warriors trade. The Warriors are over valuing David Lee while the Wolves consider him just an expensive throw in.

What the **** are they going to do with David Lee? Make him the first big off the bench?

[okcchief]

Wiggins has a lot of potentail, but if you can get Love you do it. No brainer. Irving, Love and LBJ with the role players they do and will have make them Championship contenders day one. Although, I tend to think they maybe anyway. I would definitely still favor them in the East with the expected roster. If you get that far you have some kind of chance. Lebron is that valuable.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RustShack

There's more to basketball than just stats, but I wouldn't expect everyone to know how to use their eyes.

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

"Both shooting the three very well"

Just admit that you saw one highlight of a made 3.

Originally Posted by RustShack

I will. The tweets I was reading at the start if the game were deceiving I guess, must have been his first few shots he hit. But I had heard nothing but rave reviews in every aspect especially dunking and defense through practice before the games started.

Ironic.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by okcchief

Right but they had the option to pick up Parsons last year at 900k then trade him if they needed too. At least thats my understanding. I think it was a mistake to not get assets in return. I understand a GM like Morey is exciting for fans, but he has changed the roster so drastically they are like a new team every year.

Another thing about going after Rondo. I see he and Dwight clashing bigtime after a few months. I just think Morey is flashy and doesn't put a lot of thought into how the roster is constructed.

100% agree. I posted about this a few pages back. I get that the NBA allows you to build a little outside of a system, but the chemistry of the guys they've put together or tried to put together just doesn't make any sense. Bosh and Ariza were sensible. I really don't get Melo or Rondo. I just don't.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wiggins could be an elite defender and he's already NBA ready in that regard.

At worst, Wiggins is an elite defender, great system guy, and an effective 15 PPG scorer which is a great guy to have. At best, and his ceiling is enormous, he matches elite defense with offensive playmaking ability. Could easily develop into a max contract guy for a team that values defense.

I want to keep Wiggins because I think he's critical to keeping Lebron's legs fresh.

I would give up a potentially elite defender for an elite scorer and elite rebounder any day of the week.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

100% agree. I posted about this a few pages back. I get that the NBA allows you to build a little outside of a system, but the chemistry of the guys they've put together or tried to put together just doesn't make any sense. Bosh and Ariza were sensible. I really don't get Melo or Rondo. I just don't.

Ariza was a good pickup for them. They needed a perimeter defender desperately.

[KevB]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

100% agree. I posted about this a few pages back. I get that the NBA allows you to build a little outside of a system, but the chemistry of the guys they've put together or tried to put together just doesn't make any sense. Bosh and Ariza were sensible. I really don't get Melo or Rondo. I just don't.

I think Melo could have worked, Rondo I don't get. But, as far as I've seen or read, that's just speculation at this point.