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Old 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM  
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:50 AM   #1891
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The Berry situation was a no win situation for a GM. If he signed Berry immediately on his return without seeking some type of pay back guaranty in the event his cancer comes back, or he was not able to play, everyone would have crucified Dorsey.

Did you want Maclin? Were you happy when he was signed? Did he seem like an excellent fit his first year?

If there is one thing this team needs, it's a better strength and conditioning coach.
Clark had to do Berry's contract, thats inexcusable, I don't know what else to say to that.

Maclin set the Chiefs season record for reception by a WR in 2015 and caught 10 TD's so yea I wanted him and I was happy with him. He was also a Reid want.

And frankly I would still rather have him rather than cutting him after a down year he had injuries. And he isn't injury prone.

Maclin is gone due to terrible cap management. Period.
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:24 AM   #1892
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What? How much more info do you need?

Terez, Mellinger, LaCanfora, Jason Cole and now Breer have each added more pictures to the puzzle.

It's pretty clear what "went down".



Typical quote from an insular Chiefs fan.

You guys wonder why other teams are having better, quicker success (along with Super Bowl appearances and victories) than the Chiefs every year.

The Chiefs hire a guy that was more scout than GM, won a bunch of regular season games, was fired and now, he's impossible to replace.

This type of dumbassery is maddening.
Ok, fine, we know what went down. I guess what I mean is that unless I'm actually witnessing how things happen and what the environment was actually like, I tend to be skeptical about second hand opinions.

For my part, I don't wonder why other teams have quicker success than us. It comes down to QB. Name one team that has had quicker and more success than us with a worse QB. This is not me bitching about Smith, simply stating the fact that it is an accepted fact that Smith is not as good of a QB as Peyton Manning, Russel Wilson, and maybe Dak Prescott. What other team has had more quick success than we have had except for the Broncos, Seahawks and Cowboys? Those teams had a good supporting cast that just needed a spark at QB to really take off. I'm giving Reid and Dorsey equal credit for turning the team around. Dorsey got guys who could play and Reid coached them up.

I'm not saying he's irreplaceable, just that his record is good enough that firing him now, during an unusual time to fire a GM, based on the reasons that have been suggested by reporters seems like an overreaction. If Dorsey goes for more than a year without getting another crack at GM or returning to GB to wait out Thompson, I will be surprised and will say that Chiefs' fans take on his skills as a GM were incorrect. If he was as bad at the non-scouting part of being a GM as is being suggested then there is no way any team should ever consider him for GM again. We are basically saying that no amount of success in the draft can overcome the negatives he carries with him as a GM.
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:34 AM   #1893
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They are many head scratchers. Contracts and draft picks getting cut and other things.
They drafted Hogan then Foles became available...He ended up winning a game. Russell was a strange one but Hill more than made up for it. How many rookie all-pros have been drafted in the 5th round...ever?

Did you know Denver hasn't drafted a pro-bowl player in 5 years? People are taking for granted how hard it is to do..it's become expected in KC.

As far as the Berry deal...I dont blame Dorsey one bit for how he handled it. Berry is a being prima donna bitch...he got payed $10,600,000 on the tag after missing (and being paid) the previous year. He can pout all he wants. Dorsey was protecting Hunt in case Berry tanked. It was a situation the has never happened in the NFL...and needed to be approached with caution.

You dont make a player, that is in cancer remission, the highest paid at his position on a whim and hope...

When the NFL does its revisionist 2016 re-draft article..both Hill and Jones will be top 10 picks. That is insane value for a mid-2nd and 5th rounder. They also re-drafted Kelce and Morse in the 1st. So that's 4 1st round grades on two seconds, one third and a fifth round pick.

Schwartz was a 2nd team all-pro last year too, Shawn Smith was a steal, Maclin set a KC WR record...and then there is Peters.

I'm less than optimistic that the new GM will replicate that stellar track record...
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:38 AM   #1894
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:18 AM   #1895
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:56 AM   #1896
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I sure hope not. Ballard crushed it this offseason. Outstanding deals in FA and a good draft.
It's a lot easier to "crush" the offseason when you have $53 million in cap space there to work with.
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:57 AM   #1897
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The Berry situation was a no win situation for a GM. If he signed Berry immediately on his return without seeking some type of pay back guaranty in the event his cancer comes back, or he was not able to play, everyone would have crucified Dorsey.

Did you want Maclin? Were you happy when he was signed? Did he seem like an excellent fit his first year?

If there is one thing this team needs, it's a better strength and conditioning coach.
Why not try to renegotiate with Maclin? Supposedly it was never even attempted.
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Old 06-30-2017, 11:58 AM   #1898
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It's a lot easier to "crush" the offseason when you have $53 million in cap space there to work with.
Cap space doesn't have anything to do with the draft.
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Cap space doesn't have anything to do with the draft.
Uh, yeah, it does
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I don't remember seeing him play at all. Is he that bad?
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Ok, fine, we know what went down. I guess what I mean is that unless I'm actually witnessing how things happen and what the environment was actually like, I tend to be skeptical about second hand opinions.
Do you really expect John Dorsey and Clark Hunt to detail every event for you?

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For my part, I don't wonder why other teams have quicker success than us. It comes down to QB. Name one team that has had quicker and more success than us with a worse QB. This is not me bitching about Smith, simply stating the fact that it is an accepted fact that Smith is not as good of a QB as Peyton Manning, Russel Wilson, and maybe Dak Prescott. What other team has had more quick success than we have had except for the Broncos, Seahawks and Cowboys?
This is short sighted nonsense.

Instead of signing a journeyman QB in 2013 or giving the starting job to Chase Daniel, the Chiefs traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, who's proven to be a short term solution and has one playoff win in 4 attempts.

Meanwhile, teams like the Raiders, Titans and Buccaneers didn't go for a "Quick Fix" and are set up long term with their quarterbacks and franchises.

Now, the Chiefs are way behind the 8 Ball and are essentially starting over in 2018, as it's likely they'll start the 2nd year QB while losing players like Hali, DJ, Bailey, Colquitt and more. Not only is their cap in bad shape, even after they cut these players, they'll need to find adequate replacements.

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Those teams had a good supporting cast that just needed a spark at QB to really take off.
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I'm not saying he's irreplaceable, just that his record is good enough that firing him now, during an unusual time to fire a GM, based on the reasons that have been suggested by reporters seems like an overreaction.
It's pretty clear that you have no experience in upper management or with CEO's. If there's a slowly, festering toxic environment in the workplace, that will bring an organization of any kind down more quickly than you can imagine.

Clark felt that was already happening and put a stop to it.

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We are basically saying that no amount of success in the draft can overcome the negatives he carries with him as a GM.
Who is "we"?
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Old 06-30-2017, 01:33 PM   #1902
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Clark had to do Berry's contract, thats inexcusable, I don't know what else to say to that.

Maclin set the Chiefs season record for reception by a WR in 2015 and caught 10 TD's so yea I wanted him and I was happy with him. He was also a Reid want.

And frankly I would still rather have him rather than cutting him after a down year he had injuries. And he isn't injury prone.

Maclin is gone due to terrible cap management. Period.
What? Maclin is nearly the definition of injury prone.
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We don't need Maclin. Should he have been offered a restructure? Probably. Should Andy have been told? Hell yes. Should it have been handled better? Of course.

We need our young WRs to get on the field to get experience for when Mahomes starts next year. Dorsey wanted Maclin off the team no matter what most likely and we needed the money. It was handled like ass but the result would have been the same.
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Do you really expect John Dorsey and Clark Hunt to detail every event for you?



This is short sighted nonsense.

Instead of signing a journeyman QB in 2013 or giving the starting job to Chase Daniel, the Chiefs traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, who's proven to be a short term solution and has one playoff win in 4 attempts.

Meanwhile, teams like the Raiders, Titans and Buccaneers didn't go for a "Quick Fix" and are set up long term with their quarterbacks and franchises.

Now, the Chiefs are way behind the 8 Ball and are essentially starting over in 2018, as it's likely they'll start the 2nd year QB while losing players like Hali, DJ, Bailey, Colquitt and more. Not only is their cap in bad shape, even after they cut these players, they'll need to find adequate replacements.



Wut



It's pretty clear that you have no experience in upper management or with CEO's. If there's a slowly, festering toxic environment in the workplace, that will bring an organization of any kind down more quickly than you can imagine.

Clark felt that was already happening and put a stop to it.



Who is "we"?
I don't know how you have the energy to fight this stupidity, Dane.

People still bitching about Alex Smith? Jesus.
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I don't know how you have the energy to fight this stupidity, Dane.

People still bitching about Alex Smith? Jesus.
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