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Old 04-28-2023, 06:41 PM  
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:12 PM   #1891
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The thing is, though-you don't want to have a discussion. You want confirmation bias.

You had decided quite on your own, that KC had done a lot of very different things last week.

Most of us have said-nah, it's the same route concepts and stuff, they just played better.

No, that can't be it, you insist.

But it is. Rice and Kelce particularly got it together in the second quarter and played great. But it's the same stuff we always do, because it works as long as you execute it.

We still had MVS running deep routes primarily. Watson mostly, too. Rice and Moore mostly either taking WR screen type plays at the line or drags across the formation while Kelce drifts into the seams. It's the same stuff we always do. They just did it better.

The only play I hadn't seen before was the reverse flea-flicker thing. There ya go! Now THAT was different.

Of course, when the pitch happened, I yelled -OH SHIT WHAT THE ****!

Followed closely by- YAAAAAAS!!!

LOL.

Alright, Andy. That was cute. Let's not make a habit of THAT, lol.

They just got in a groove, man. That's all. They didn't script 40 plays. You couldn't.

They got a good feel for where to go with the ball, and how to attack the coverage rules, and the players executed.
Who is “most of us”? because it’s largely been the same guys on the other side of the debate. Just because everyone last week was on the side of our WRs sucking doesn’t mean it’s true because “most of us” saw it that way.

We saw this game very differently.
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:14 PM   #1892
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Who is “most of us”? because it’s largely been the same guys on the other side of the debate. Just because everyone last week was on the side of our WRs sucking doesn’t mean it’s true because “most of us” saw it that way.

We saw this game very differently.
Well no offense, man, but I'm not entirely sure you know what you're looking at most of the time.
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:21 PM   #1893
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Well no offense, man, but I'm not entirely sure you know what you're looking at most of the time.
He was calling Rice a "band-aid" not too long ago, as if he's a veteran stop gap and temporary solution.

He clearly doesn't.
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:24 PM   #1894
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He was calling Rice a "band-aid" not too long ago, as if he's a veteran stop gap and temporary solution.

He clearly doesn't.
Yeah, I certainly hope not. I don't know about you, but I'm hoping Rice is a foundational piece of the next several Super Bowl runs.

I'm hoping he's HIM.

I'm hoping he's Deandre Hopkins, but a 23 year old, cost controlled for four years Hopkins.
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:25 PM   #1895
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Like maybe there are less post snap options than before for them?

sure, maybe. No way to know that.

There had been talk about getting back to fundamentals, so maybe so.

That's got nothing to do with scripted, though, and the WR screens and stuff we do all the time. Hell, MOST of Rice's catches have been almost that exact play.
I think we were asking every player to play within structure. Kelce has made a killing reading the defense and making route adjustments, and he and mahomes have become an elite tandem because they’re always in perfect harmony. They’re the best improvisers in the game by a mile.

But we dialed back a lot of that. Mostly because when WRs can’t be trusted to make route adjustments it becomes a bit chaotic, especially for a qb like mahomes who wants his WRs to see the field the way he does. We asked our WRs to do way less. It kind of seemed like we asked mahomes to go through a specific progression and do it quickly, versus wait for a guy like kelce to break to the spot you know will open up. And you know what… maybe that breaks some of mahomes’ habit of locking onto guys sometimes. But We went from phd to Sesame Street. And maybe that’s long term sustainable, I don’t know, especially since our offense can be asked to do a lot less this year. But that to me felt very different.

We made a deliberate adjustment
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Old 11-29-2023, 07:28 PM   #1896
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He was calling Rice a "band-aid" not too long ago, as if he's a veteran stop gap and temporary solution.

He clearly doesn't.
Go **** yourself with that bullshit

I’ve been complimentary of rice from the jump and have remained that way. You’re making shit up. I still believe we need another weapon since we’re probably not going to fully unleash everything on him his rookie year. But yes I believe he’s a bandaid that for this year can get our offense to a level that supports a great all around team

Anybody who’s discussed with me in earnest knows I’m very high on the kid
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Yeah, I certainly hope not. I don't know about you, but I'm hoping Rice is a foundational piece of the next several Super Bowl runs.

I'm hoping he's HIM.

I'm hoping he's Deandre Hopkins, but a 23 year old, cost controlled for four years Hopkins.
Rice, a dynamic young Z in the draft, Gabe Davis in FA.

That becomes a REALLY good wide receiver corps by the end of the '24 season if we get the draft pick right.
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Go **** yourself with that bullshit

I’ve been complimentary of rice from the jump and have remained that way. You’re making shit up. I still believe we need another weapon since we’re probably not going to fully unleash everything on him his rookie year.

Anybody who’s discussed with me in earnest knows I’m very high on the kid
So you didn't call Rice a band-aid?
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I’ve literally pointed out a million times that rice is improving and he probably patches a lot of our issues. And it’s a good enough bandaid if he does well with more reps. But the rest of the WR room, they are what they are aside for MAYBE Ross. I don’t think we need to dance around that point anymore.
Maybe choose better words? Not my fault.
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Maybe choose better words? Not my fault.
Wow.

While pumping Ross's tires no less.

That's not a great take...
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Wow.

While pumping Ross's tires no less.

That's not a great take...
"Good enough bandaid" but he's totally "high on the kid"!
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So you didn't call Rice a band-aid?
Yes, I said he’s a bandaid that can cover up some of our limitations and get us to the good enough level we need to be this year. That is a bandaid until we fully expand his role (probably next year) and get him the WR help this offseason most of us believe is needed.

I’ve never even remotely suggested he was some temp throwaway solution.
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Yes, I said he’s a bandaid that can cover up some of our limitations and get us to the good enough level we need to be this year. That is a bandaid until we fully expand his role (probably next year) and get him the WR help this offseason most of us believe is needed.

I’ve never even remotely suggested he was some temp throwaway solution.
I don't think you know what the word band-aid implies. That or you're playing stupid and backtracking.

Even using it how you just did still doesn't sound like a huge endorsement.
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So you didn't call Rice a band-aid?
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Maybe choose better words? Not my fault.
Nobody reasonable would interpret what I said as an insult to rice.
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