Pro Bowl LT DJ Humphries [signed by Chiefs]

[SHOWTIME]

Does Veach give him a call?

I predict @Chiefs. Makes too much sense https://t.co/hu5xdI5KF2

— Justin Pugh (@JustinPugh) November 22, 2024

[GordonGekko]

Veach & Co. cannot draft tackle, not sure why this is. When I see Wanya Morris out there and how bad he is, I wonder what all of these six/seven figure salary people on the Chiefs staff who are paid to analyze hundreds of hours of video, what they even saw to merit drafting him?? Or Kingsley for that matter where it is even worse as was a second round pick.

In this offseason, Veach & Co. need to really reign it in on the OL and their decisions whether draft or FA or both. We need to build a fortress around Mahomes, especially as he gets older. We DO NOT want to Andrew Luck our #15.

Also the Skyy Moore pick was a complete whiff, he had one good play in the Superbowl and that has been all he has done as a 2nd round pick in his three years here. Just another terrible draft pick by Veach. The Kingsley pick is looking to rival the Skyy Moore pick in pathetic-ness. And let's not even talk about FAU.......

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Drafting players and projecting how they are going to do is not always cut and dried, The later you draft the higher the error rate. Veech is a very good GM but even the best are going to miss if they are picking later in the draft. OT is even harder to hit on you need a extremely atheletic individual that is 320+ hard to find outside the first 1/2 of the first round. They also take a while to develop, a lot of the OT take until their 25 to really hit their full potentioal. Again tough when your in the win now mode.

Also, as good as Mahomes is he is very tough on the tackles. He does not take consistent drops, he moves around a ton. Tackles do not know where he will be.

I'd never want to play OT for Mahomes (and that was the position I played when I played ball)... It'd be an absolute nightmare because of the harsh angles due to Mahomes' deep drops and then the rollouts are always a PITA to manage.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Drafting players and projecting how they are going to do is not always cut and dried, The later you draft the higher the error rate. Veech is a very good GM but even the best are going to miss if they are picking later in the draft. OT is even harder to hit on you need a extremely atheletic individual that is 320+ hard to find outside the first 1/2 of the first round. They also take a while to develop, a lot of the OT take until their 25 to really hit their full potentioal. Again tough when your in the win now mode.

Also, as good as Mahomes is he is very tough on the tackles. He does not take consistent drops, he moves around a ton. Tackles do not know where he will be.

Yeah, this later in the draft thing is cope for Veach, there are hundreds of great and former players selected in the later rounds or not drafted at all, see Brady or Priest Holmes as just some examples. Sneed was a 4th rounder. I do agree on Mahomes being hard on tackles, he wets the bed too much and gets antsy and starts moving, or he HOLDS IT WAY TOO LONG trying to find time for the slower TE's to get open.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The point being that these weren't shocking draft picks.

I don't know who peruses the draft thread, but rest assured that guys like Achane and Raimann has loud backers over there. Obviously Pickens as well. These are guys who were people that were highly regarded by us normies over there.

Meanwhile Cook, a guy who projected as a box safety, was a strange pick from the instant it was made. The Moore Wars are well established.

I'm not killing him for not grabbing Kittle, for instance. And he deserves credit for a guy like Snead that many of us were NOT on.

But let's not act like these would've been off the wall picks out there. These are guys who looked at the time like they would've been damn good picks and we just didn't make 'em...

I didn't go discussing the best guys out of each 'missed' spot - just the ones where I know we had extensive conversations about them in the draft forum and they had pretty loud backers.

Raimann is actually a reason to not give up on Suamataia, for me. He did not debut well and has taken some time to get to this place. Still time to keep working on the raw clay and get a useful player out of that pick.

Nobody is perfect, obviously. And they're doing better than many teams. Always room to continue to improve (and I thnk Veach and co. are at least a group that is willing to adapt and change approach).

I think the narrative might change a little bit by this time next year. Worthy is on a nice path, Rice was looking like a major hit before his injury. Landing a couple of huge playmakers like that who drive their offense is a big thing.

[kccrow]

You look at a guy like Raimann and he started out on a bad Colts team with no hope of the postseason and a shitty QB. They had every opportunity to just let him play out of his bad and into the player he is now. Most of these guys that were taken late and became starters got to do so in the same way as Raimann... playing for teams that weren't playoff quality or were just coming into their own as a cusp team. A couple of years ago when Rasheed Walker and Zach Tom were drafted by the Packers, they weren't quite the good solid playoff team they are now. They could absorb the lumps. Jordan Mailata was drafted in 2018 and didn't play a game at all until 2020 in Hurts rookie year.

Ideally, you'd love to have Kingsley just play and learn and you take the lumps. The problem here is that we can't just do that because we're a contending playoff team set up to try to make a run at a 3-peat. But what that doesn't mean is that we should cast him aside like he's shit already. The dude needs some time to grow. All these guys needed time to grow, it's just some of them got to start and be shitty for a hot minute without anyone really noticing as much because the rest of the team was dogshit.

Suamataia has the athletic goods to be a really good LT in the NFL. Let's see if he can get the technical stuff down and give him a shot before calling for his head. The mistake was not in drafting him, the mistake was in not bringing in a vet right away to give him the time to grow everyone and their brother knew he needed. A full year of practicing and another offseason will help this kid tremendously. Same goes for Driskell and Hanson and Mettauer. These kids gotta grow.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Veach & Co. cannot draft tackle, not sure why this is. When I see Wanya Morris out there and how bad he is, I wonder what all of these six/seven figure salary people on the Chiefs staff who are paid to analyze hundreds of hours of video, what they even saw to merit drafting him?? Or Kingsley for that matter where it is even worse as was a second round pick.

In this offseason, Veach & Co. need to really reign it in on the OL and their decisions whether draft or FA or both. We need to build a fortress around Mahomes, especially as he gets older. We DO NOT want to Andrew Luck our #15.

Also the Skyy Moore pick was a complete whiff, he had one good play in the Superbowl and that has been all he has done as a 2nd round pick in his three years here. Just another terrible draft pick by Veach. The Kingsley pick is looking to rival the Skyy Moore pick in pathetic-ness. And let's not even talk about FAU.......

You act like the draft isn't a complete crap shoot.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You look at a guy like Raimann and he started out on a bad Colts team with no hope of the postseason and a shitty QB. They had every opportunity to just let him play out of his bad and into the player he is now. Most of these guys that were taken late and became starters got to do so in the same way as Raimann... playing for teams that weren't playoff quality or were just coming into their own as a cusp team. A couple of years ago when Rasheed Walker and Zach Tom were drafted by the Packers, they weren't quite the good solid playoff team they are now. They could absorb the lumps. Jordan Mailata was drafted in 2018 and didn't play a game at all until 2020 in Hurts rookie year.

Ideally, you'd love to have Kingsley just play and learn and you take the lumps. The problem here is that we can't just do that because we're a contending playoff team set up to try to make a run at a 3-peat. But what that doesn't mean is that we should cast him aside like he's shit already. The dude needs some time to grow. All these guys needed time to grow, it's just some of them got to start and be shitty for a hot minute without anyone really noticing as much because the rest of the team was dogshit.

Suamataia has the athletic goods to be a really good LT in the NFL. Let's see if he can get the technical stuff down and give him a shot before calling for his head. The mistake was not in drafting him, the mistake was in not bringing in a vet right away to give him the time to grow everyone and their brother knew he needed. A full year of practicing and another offseason will help this kid tremendously. Same goes for Driskell and Hanson and Mettauer. These kids gotta grow.

I don't think Suamataia can play LT in the NFL. I think he's more suited for RT. Also think Morris is better suited to play Guard, rather than Tackle. We'll see how it all plays out.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by TEX

I don't think Suamataia can play LT in the NFL. I think he's more suited for RT. Also think Morris is better suited to play Guard, rather than Tackle. We'll see how it all plays out.

Curious why you think he's more suited to Rt? The guy has the measurables and athleticism for any position. I personally think he needs an off season in a pro weight room and to probably train with Mannywether or someone similar. He's shown nothing in my opinion to think one side would be a better fit than the other. He had no issue getting to his spots just absolutely no idea what to do when he got there. That's mental imo not physical.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by TEX

I don't think Suamataia can play LT in the NFL. I think he's more suited for RT. Also think Morris is better suited to play Guard, rather than Tackle. We'll see how it all plays out.

It's way too early for any of that. You have no idea if he can play LT and neither does anybody else here.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Yeah, this later in the draft thing is cope for Veach, there are hundreds of great and former players selected in the later rounds or not drafted at all, see Brady or Priest Holmes as just some examples. Sneed was a 4th rounder. I do agree on Mahomes being hard on tackles, he wets the bed too much and gets antsy and starts moving, or he HOLDS IT WAY TOO LONG trying to find time for the slower TE's to get open.

He has “wet the bed”to 3 SB rings.. JFC..Some takes on this board are insane…

[xztop123]

I have absolutely no idea how to scout linemen I’m not sure how the hell this guy knows morris is suited to play guard or any of that. It does appear that lt (along with qb) is the hardest position to play in all of sports. Meaning there’s a handful of guys walking thr planet that can do it at a decent level

[htismaqe]

It has to do mostly with physical traits. Morris is built like a guard but Kingsley really isn't.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's way too early for any of that. You have no idea if he can play LT and neither does anybody else here.

Yup. Everyone thought the same thing about Eric Fisher his rookie year. This board hated him

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. Everyone thought the same thing about Eric Fisher his rookie year. This board hated him

Including me. I learned that lesson.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You look at a guy like Raimann and he started out on a bad Colts team with no hope of the postseason and a shitty QB. They had every opportunity to just let him play out of his bad and into the player he is now. Most of these guys that were taken late and became starters got to do so in the same way as Raimann... playing for teams that weren't playoff quality or were just coming into their own as a cusp team. A couple of years ago when Rasheed Walker and Zach Tom were drafted by the Packers, they weren't quite the good solid playoff team they are now. They could absorb the lumps. Jordan Mailata was drafted in 2018 and didn't play a game at all until 2020 in Hurts rookie year.

Ideally, you'd love to have Kingsley just play and learn and you take the lumps. The problem here is that we can't just do that because we're a contending playoff team set up to try to make a run at a 3-peat. But what that doesn't mean is that we should cast him aside like he's shit already. The dude needs some time to grow. All these guys needed time to grow, it's just some of them got to start and be shitty for a hot minute without anyone really noticing as much because the rest of the team was dogshit.

Suamataia has the athletic goods to be a really good LT in the NFL. Let's see if he can get the technical stuff down and give him a shot before calling for his head. The mistake was not in drafting him, the mistake was in not bringing in a vet right away to give him the time to grow everyone and their brother knew he needed. A full year of practicing and another offseason will help this kid tremendously. Same goes for Driskell and Hanson and Mettauer. These kids gotta grow.

Yeah this is essentially what I was saying earlier. He may have the potential, I just don't see a path for him, they're not going to give him the opportunity and frankly, I won't blame them. You get better with reps, given what we've seen I don't know they're brave enough to give him the chance.