****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Really? Show me a post I made before yesterday referencing Oklahoma or their game against Alabama. I'll help you out by showing every post I made containing either OU, Oklahoma or Sooners in the past month. (Spoiler alert...you're full of shit.)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?do=process

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/searc...archid=1025897

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/searc...archid=1025899

I'm not going to dig into like PB but it's nice that you'll be a bit humbled from here on out.

The daily posts you make digging up any numbers and/or opinions about how the "Big Whatever" sucks just got dropped on your flagship football team last night by ours.

Now...time for basketball.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is actually a pretty interesting point.

I was raised over split eras; being born in the early 80s I remember the Big 8 but have a more vivid recollection of the Big 12. My folks, OTOH, were obviously long-time Big 8 supporters.

My parents, to a person, supported other members of the conference during bowl games, tournaments, etc... I, OTOH, pretty much rooted against all of them.

It does seem like there was a camaraderie that came from the Big 8 that never existed in the Big 12. The camaraderie exists in the SEC as well. Honestly, I think it's a good thing. I think there's some truth to the position that the lack of 'ties' within the conference is why some schools looked to leave.

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I'm old enough to have seen the Big 8 and I can tell you there was more camaraderie in the conference than what was in the Big 12....it was much more in Basketball than football because it was pretty much OU and Nebraska every year for the football title.

The Coaches were closer....I think that other than on the Basketball court Johnny Orr and Norm Stewart were the best of friends.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I'm not going to dig into like PB but it's nice that you'll be a bit humbled from here on out.

The daily posts you make digging up any numbers and/or opinions about how the "Big Whatever" sucks just got dropped on your flagship football team last night by ours.

Now...time for basketball.

It's good to know that one bowl game means that much when the Big 12 wins, but the past decade of SEC beat downs don't mean anything.

The Big 12 won a game against a good SEC team. They may even do it again tonight. Celebrate it like its a title. It's as close to a title as Big 12 teams get, it would seem.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I'm old enough to have seen the Big 8 and I can tell you there was more camaraderie in the conference than what was in the Big 12....it was much more in Basketball than football because it was pretty much OU and Nebraska every year for the football title.

The Coaches were closer....I think that other than on the Basketball court Johnny Orr and Norm Stewart were the best of friends.

What a load of nonsense. Mizzou cried about cheaters their whole history. They left with ongoing disputes in the KU football series tally and the KSU basketball tally. Tubbs won the Big 8 in Allen and cut down our nets. KSU tore down our goalposts. OU-osu hate each other. KU-MU nuff said.

Might want to also consider that it was old Big 8 schools like Colorado and Mizzou that cast deciding ballots against KC and Bob Frederik when the league ended.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It does seem like there was a camaraderie that came from the Big 8 that never existed in the Big 12. The camaraderie exists in the SEC as well. Honestly, I think it's a good thing. I think there's some truth to the position that the lack of 'ties' within the conference is why some schools looked to leave.

This. The fan bases in the MVC have a camaraderie similar to the SEC. We all hate each other when we play but OOC or in the NCAAs we all root for each other. The Big 12 schools seem to be for themselves.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Might want to also consider that it was old Big 8 schools like Colorado and Mizzou that cast deciding ballots against KC and Bob Frederik when the league ended.

Wrong on that one champ. It was Colorado, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State that did KC over.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

What a load of nonsense. Mizzou cried about cheaters their whole history. They left with ongoing disputes in the KU football series tally and the KSU basketball tally. Tubbs won the Big 8 in Allen and cut down our nets. KSU tore down our goalposts. OU-osu hate each other. KU-MU nuff said.

Might want to also consider that it was old Big 8 schools like Colorado and Mizzou that cast deciding ballots against KC and Bob Frederik when the league ended.

I unblocked you long enough to read this.....once again you are so FOS that it makes me laugh. Your complete and utter nonsensical anger towards MU leaves you with a total lack of credibility.

You should go back and try to re-think your history or at the very least take off your hate-filled glasses which for some reason are glued at the other end to your posterior.

I remember reading that right after Stewart found out that he had cancer it was Orr and Hartman that were some of the first people to reach out to him. The coaches didn't hate each other some of the fans did. But not as much as your limited memory likes to recall...spin it any way you want but there was tons more camaraderie in the Big 8 than the Big 12.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Wrong on that one champ. It was Colorado, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State that did KC over.

They did too. Never said they didn't. The two Oklahoma schools are in a state that basically considers themselves North Texas so their action wasn't surprising. But Mizzou did cast the deciding vote for the SWC commish 7-5.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The piece of shit SWAC ruined the Big XII. It shouldn't be a surprise that members the dirtiest conference in the history of collegiate athletics took a steaming shit all over the new digs.

FWIW, I always hated other Big 8 teams. I hate all the other SEC teams, too. The only thing their winning does is make Missouri's wins look better. Aside from that, the cousin-****ing Confederates can all die of chromosomal anomalies as far as I'm concerned.

If Missouri is going after a kid who is a SCAR lean, I want SCAR to get choked on chunks of their eviscerated spleen against whomever they play

[patteeu]

I don't think the Big 8 could have survived (as a top-tier or near-top-tier conference) this long without embracing the Texas schools. Maybe there was a better way to absorb Texas and aTm without shifting the center of gravity to Dallas and making the northern teams afterthoughts, but the Big 8 needed Texas to survive, IMO.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't think the Big 8 could have survived (as a top-tier or near-top-tier conference) this long without embracing the Texas schools. Maybe there was a better way to absorb Texas and aTm without shifting the center of gravity to Dallas and making the northern teams afterthoughts, but the Big 8 needed Texas to survive, IMO.

This.

Big 8 needed Texas population. SWC needed other states for tv. The original proposal of the Big 8 taking Texas and A&M would probably have been the best. But Texas is going to be the big gorilla in any conference it goes to.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't think the Big 8 could have survived (as a top-tier or near-top-tier conference) this long without embracing the Texas schools. Maybe there was a better way to absorb Texas and aTm without shifting the center of gravity to Dallas and making the northern teams afterthoughts, but the Big 8 needed Texas to survive, IMO.

I agree, and the Big 12 was doomed from the start. In some respects, it's impressive that it lasted as long as it did. I pulled for Texas when we were in the same conference for the same reason I pull for the rest of the SEC today. A strong Texas was good for Mizzou in that players in Texas wanted to play for Texas, and the next best thing was playing against them. Mizzou got loads of players simply because they wanted to be in the same conference.

In the SEC, there is a similar phenomenon on a much larger scale. I pull for the conference to the extent that it helps Mizzou. The exposure, recruiting, money, prestige, etc. all combine to provide advantages that other programs don't have. The best players want to play in the SEC. The best coaches want to coach in the SEC.

There is a cycle that has become self-sustaining. The national narrative is that the SEC is the best. The more the recruits hear this, the more they want to play here. The more recruits we get, the more success we have on the field. The more success we have on the field, the louder the narrative gets...and they cycle, feeds upon itself and gets stronger and stronger. Literally no other football conference has this going for it. The Big East was getting to that point in basketball, but basketball can't carry a conference, and their lack of football success doomed the conference to failure.

At the end of the day, it's hilarious to me that certain posters care so much about who I cheer for. It's so bizarre that anyone in the world would care about what teams a guy they will never meet cheers for that it makes me cheer for them even more just to watch posters work themselves into a frenzy.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I don't think the Big 8 could have survived (as a top-tier or near-top-tier conference) this long without embracing the Texas schools. Maybe there was a better way to absorb Texas and aTm without shifting the center of gravity to Dallas and making the northern teams afterthoughts, but the Big 8 needed Texas to survive, IMO.

Being associated with Texas (the most powerful brand in college sport) has done wonders for all of the Big 12 teams. The dollars being brought in and success that pretty much all Big 12 schools have experienced has been enhanced by merging with the Texas schools.

UT is probably the 3-4th best football program in the conference right now and the 2-3rd strongest in basketball. This speaks to how the level of play has been raised for the other schools.

With 10 teams now each school gets to showcase their own brand as opposed to living under the banner of "the conference". The SEC has cornered the market on conference recognition but what this has done lessened the impact of individual universities. Oklahoma defeating the flagship football program of the SEC carries some success for the conference sure...but more for Oklahoma. Which is exactly how the Big 12 prefers to operate.

Teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and now Baylor have seen their athletic programs boom while being members of the Big 12 when in the Big 8 they were known simply as regional schools that competed in sports.

It's strange to me that other schools would want to give up so much of their own identity to play in a conference that has a hard time distinguishing schools from one another...

Want proof?

What team do you think of when someone says "Tigers"?

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

I'm old enough to have seen the Big 8 and I can tell you there was more camaraderie in the conference than what was in the Big 12....it was much more in Basketball than football because it was pretty much OU and Nebraska every year for the football title.

The Coaches were closer....I think that other than on the Basketball court Johnny Orr and Norm Stewart were the best of friends.

Im old enough to remember those days also and I'm going to disagree. There was never any camaraderie towards KSU from the Big 8 schools. All this waxing rhapsodic about how it was so much better before the Texas schools arrived is unmitigated horseshit. You (and your parents obviously) have forgotten that the Big8 was going to be picked apart unless they merged. And it was a merger the Big8 sought out. Not the other way around.

And in the Big 8, once Snydz arrived and started winning football games, I clearly don't remember Nubs, MUtts, Sooners or Buffs being all "conference pridey" about it.

Matter of fact, I recall a whole lot of fans hating that they couldnt get their guarranteed win in football. Forgive me for raining on this little fictional tale of Big8 conference pride.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Being associated with Texas (the most powerful brand in college sport) has done wonders for all of the Big 12 teams. The dollars being brought in and success that pretty much all Big 12 schools have experienced has been enhanced by merging with the Texas schools.

UT is probably the 3-4th best football program in the conference right now and the 2-3rd strongest in basketball. This speaks to how the level of play has been raised for the other schools.

With 10 teams now each school gets to showcase their own brand as opposed to living under the banner of "the conference". The SEC has cornered the market on conference recognition but what this has done lessened the impact of individual universities. Oklahoma defeating the flagship football program of the SEC carries some success for the conference sure...but more for Oklahoma. Which is exactly how the Big 12 prefers to operate.

Teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and now Baylor have seen their athletic programs boom while being members of the Big 12 when in the Big 8 they were known simply as regional schools that competed in sports.

It's strange to me that other schools would want to give up so much of their own identity to play in a conference that has a hard time distinguishing schools from one another...

Want proof?

What team do you think of when someone says "Tigers"?

I think of Missouri, but I don't think that really proves anything because it has more to do with my personal rooting interests than anything objective.

BTW, Texas is still the best football program in the Big 12 even if their team is in a down cycle at the moment.