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Old 02-27-2025, 01:14 PM  
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Old 02-27-2025, 05:31 PM   #166
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He was the scout on Mahomes. Dorsey was the one that had final say on the matter and had to listen to his scout, and execute the trade up to select him.

Dorsey gets the credit because he was the GM at the time.

By your logic, every great pick Veach has made is because of the scout on that player and not Brett.
Who YOU give credit to is irrelevant. You're one of the dumbest mother****ers here. Completely irrelevant.

It's crystal clear who Andy and the organization give credit to, and it's the guy that's the GM of the best organization in football, not the guy that can't even hold a GM job any ****ing where.
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Old 02-27-2025, 05:43 PM   #167
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Who YOU give credit to is irrelevant. You're one of the dumbest mother****ers here. Completely irrelevant.

It's crystal clear who Andy and the organization give credit to, and it's the guy that's the GM of the best organization in football, not the guy that can't even hold a GM job any ****ing where.
Of course the organization is going to give credit to their current GM and not someone who works for a different franchise.

(Btw, Dorsey is currently a Senior personnel exec with Detroit, and has helped orchestrate one of the most impressive roster overhauls in recent memory up there. So it appears he can still hold a job.)

Let’s call a spade a spade. The “Veach discovered Mahomes” stuff that was pushed like crazy when he took the job was clearly a state propaganda campaign to endear a new unproven GM to the fanbase.

Yes he was the scout on Mahomes and yes he deserves a chunk of credit, but that story was pushed relentlessly and clearly for that purpose. And that’s fine, I have no problem with that and am not surprised the Chiefs did that.

I think Brett has largely done a great job and has done enough on his own merits that we don’t need to try and act like Dorsey had nothing to do with Mahomes in order to prop up Veach anymore.

But the dismissal of Dorsey having anything to do with our success is ridiculous and borderline disrespectful. Even if we say Mahomes was all Veach, he still drafted Kelce, Jones and Hill. We likely aren’t winning shit without those 3. We certainly would not have 3 rings.

Dorsey put together a hell of a core that’s led us to an amazing run and Veach has complement it masterfully.

I’m looking forward to seeing how Veach is able to replace those guys going forward before I crown him Howie Roseman.
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Old 02-27-2025, 05:45 PM   #168
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We could do far worse than Brett Veach.

He’s done a pretty masterful job to this point of putting together a team to complement the Dorsey core.

But he hasn’t ever had to build the core himself.

As that Hall of Fame core that Dorsey left him continues to leave or age out, we’re going to start to find out if he’s truly an elite GM or just an ok one.
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Who YOU give credit to is irrelevant. You're one of the dumbest mother****ers here. Completely irrelevant.

It's crystal clear who Andy and the organization give credit to, and it's the guy that's the GM of the best organization in football, not the guy that can't even hold a GM job any ****ing where.
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We could do far worse than Brett Veach.

He’s done a pretty masterful job to this point of putting together a team to complement the Dorsey core.

But he hasn’t ever had to build the core himself.

As that Hall of Fame core that Dorsey left him continues to leave or age out, we’re going to start to find out if he’s truly an elite GM or just an ok one.
I like Veach but that is true.

Veach took over a roster with 4 HOF players on it.


He traded away Hill.

Kelce aging out.

Jones has 2-3 years left.
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I like Veach but that is true.

Veach took over a roster with 4 HOF players on it.


He traded away Hill

Kelce aging out.

Jones has 2-3 years left.
And then had the greatest draft in franchise history while winning the next 2 SB's in large part with a defense he built, but yea, leave that part out.

****ing moron.
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Of course the organization is going to give credit to their current GM and not someone who works for a different franchise.

(Btw, Dorsey is currently a Senior personnel exec with Detroit, and has helped orchestrate one of the most impressive roster overhauls in recent memory up there. So it appears he can still hold a job.)

Let’s call a spade a spade. The “Veach discovered Mahomes” stuff that was pushed like crazy when he took the job was clearly a state propaganda campaign to endear a new unproven GM to the fanbase.

Yes he was the scout on Mahomes and yes he deserves a chunk of credit, but that story was pushed relentlessly and clearly for that purpose. And that’s fine, I have no problem with that and am not surprised the Chiefs did that.

I think Brett has largely done a great job and has done enough on his own merits that we don’t need to try and act like Dorsey had nothing to do with Mahomes in order to prop up Veach anymore.

But the dismissal of Dorsey having anything to do with our success is ridiculous and borderline disrespectful. Even if we say Mahomes was all Veach, he still drafted Kelce, Jones and Hill. We likely aren’t winning shit without those 3. We certainly would not have 3 rings.

Dorsey put together a hell of a core that’s led us to an amazing run and Veach has complement it masterfully.

I’m looking forward to seeing how Veach is able to replace those guys going forward before I crown him Howie Roseman.
What you say makes no sense because they literally fired Dorsey and hired Veach shortly after. It's not as if their actions don't support who they give the credit to. Not to mention, Texas Tech and Mahomes team also gave Veach the credit. Are they in on it too dumbass?

The dude came out there before Pat even played a meaningful snap and told the entire national media that Patrick Mahomes was the best player he's ever seen. Did John Dorsey do that? No, because there wasn't a single person in that building that believed in Mahomes more than Veach. He absolutely sold them too, but he knew this guy was going to be the best ever before he even played a meaningful snap, you can live in fantasy land all you want and pretend that doesn't mean anything.
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McDuffie, Creed, Rice and Worthy are currently/will be blue chippers.
Agreed. He’s done great in those spots.

I’m really looking forward to watching Worthy and Rashee the next couple years. Think they have a chance to be one of the top few receiving duos in the league.
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I like Veach but that is true.

Veach took over a roster with 4 HOF players on it.


He traded away Hill.

Kelce aging out.

Jones has 2-3 years left.
If John Dorsey is here we probably don’t have 3 rings. We might not even have 2.

Veach’s 2021/2022 drafts were critical to winning back-to-back SB’s and I don’t think Dorsey trades Tyreek. Based on his history he massively overpays him $30+ million and we all want him fired for it.
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What you say makes no sense because they literally fired Dorsey and hired Veach shortly after. It's not as if their actions don't support who they give the credit to. Not to mention, Texas Tech and Mahomes team also gave Veach the credit. Are they in on it too dumbass?

The dude came out there before Pat even played a meaningful snap and told the entire national media that Patrick Mahomes was the best player he's ever seen. Did John Dorsey do that? No, because there wasn't a single person in that building that believed in Mahomes more than Veach. He absolutely sold them too, but he knew this guy was going to be the best ever before he even played a meaningful snap, you can live in fantasy land all you want and pretend that doesn't mean anything.
They fired Dorsey because his working relationship with Reid had deteriorated after he pissed off Maclin among other things.

It’s not like they fired him because they felt that Veach had to be the GM because he scouted and banged the drum for the QB they picked.

Again, every scout in the organization has guys they feel strongly about and go to the GM banging the drum for.

That doesn’t mean we go, “Yeah Brett Veach picked Trent McDuffie, but we can’t really give him credit for that because John Doe in scouting was the one who brought him to Brett and pounded the table for him. John Doe is the one who deserves the credit. Not Veach who took his advice and traded up above Buffalo to get him.”

Anyway, I’m not going to change your mind. I’m not here to bash Veach. But the insane reaction to me giving credit to a GM for picking a player is pretty funny. Maybe have a beer or a smoke.
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