Open Carry

[HemiEd]

My last two trips to our little town of Branson West resulted in seeing private citizens with a pistol holstered.

I was right behind one in line at the bank and the other one came in to shoot the shit with the barber cutting my hair. The only thing holding the second guys gun in the holster was gravity, no strap.

I am pro gun and all for peoples rights, but why? Why does someone feel they need to be packing heat while running errands?

It makes me pretty uncomfortable to say the least. Is this person stable enough to packing heat? Is he or she sober? Are they worried about a jealous lover or spouse gunning them down? Is there going to be a shootout?

What is your opinion? Are we all going to have to be packing soon? Are we going to regress to 200 years ago, like the wild west?

Who vetted this person to have this weapon in public?

[Katipan]

I have no desire to open carry but if I'm dressed cute, what the **** do you want from me?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Katipan

I have no desire to open carry but if I'm dressed cute, what the **** do you want from me?

Just don’t stick the thing in your purse without a holster. Almost anything else will be good enough.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Delano

Can we get the same regulations on guns as there are on cars? Extensive training required. Licensing and frequent renewals of licensing. Insurance on guns for liability. Mandates on maintenance and safety factors. Revocation of licensing if you’re a criminal or lack any of the above. Restrictions on where vehicles can be.

Felons already can't own guns.

As to the rest, you already need ID to buy a gun, and that's all the licensing a person needs.

As to your car comparison, how's any of that working out for eliminating car related deaths? I don't know a single person who's been shot to death. I knew several people who have died in car accidents. Including a couple who were run over by cars.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I'm friends with a few LEOs and you might be surprised. Many rarely practice with their sidearms after their initial academy. I think some have a false narrative that all cops are master marksmen. The "standards" in most law enforcement agencies aren't as high as you may believe. Not knocking LEOs at all but commenting on standards and training regimens.

That is the strangest thing I have ever read. Every agency I have worked with (I’m in my 3rd and longest tenure) required a quarterly qualification to meet state standards. That didn’t make them “marksmen” that could shoot a pistol out of someone’s hands but it definitely makes them
Proficient

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I expect to see a sidearm on a cop, even a gay one. I know they are properly trained and are committed to a standard with training of protecting the taxpayers/citizens/laws.

But when I am leisurely going about my business, it isn't my desire to be concerned about some idiot flaunting a weapon openly causing concern about whether he or she is actually a stable individual, nutcase, sober, drunk or stoned.
If they have it concealed, it is not an issue.

Yeah, I have read those occasional stories about a hero that has had a weapon when a shooting breaks out and we can all be thankful for that.

Is that hard?

I’m just saying I prefer to know where the weapon is rather than have to guess and possibly guess wrong.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by jdubya

A sharp knife in the hands of someone with basic anatomy knowledge in close quarters is as dangerous as anything. Tueller was onto something

On another note Id recommend keeping a gun anywhere but a glove box. If you are ever approached by LEO, a gun in the glove box is a disaster waiting to happen. Too easy a chance for miscommunication lol

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I'll find the full body camera release - it's pretty gut wrenching - knives even in the hands of an amateur are dangerous

[DenverChief]

****VERY GRAPHIC*****

[Delano]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Felons already can't own guns.

As to the rest, you already need ID to buy a gun, and that's all the licensing a person needs.

As to your car comparison, how's any of that working out for eliminating car related deaths? I don't know a single person who's been shot to death. I knew several people who have died in car accidents. Including a couple who were run over by cars.

In my state, a driver needs a fairly rigid drivers education course and lots of time behind the wheel before they get a license. Almost on the level of a CDL. Without that, there would no doubt be significant more injuries and deaths on the road. A person could purchase a gun from someone else off Craigslist legally without any training or certification they can safely operate the firearm. I learned a lot through hunter safety courses and practice shooting with my dad and I think every firearm owner should be required to do similar.

I also like the fact that if a driver injures me, I can collect insurance money. If I’m injured by a gun I can sue, but I’d have to pay for a lawyer.

I understand you want to compare the risk of driving with the risk of death or injury by firearm, but we can probably agree there is significantly higher opportunity for car accidents to the average person. There is also more safety regulation on vehicle ownershi and operation.

[hometeam]

I came in late and didnt read this thread but I have a solution..

mind your own business.

Ta da!

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Delano

In my state, a driver needs a fairly rigid drivers education course and lots of time behind the wheel before they get a license. Almost on the level of a CDL. Without that, there would no doubt be significant more injuries and deaths on the road. A person could purchase a gun from someone else off Craigslist legally without any training or certification they can safely operate the firearm. I learned a lot through hunter safety courses and practice shooting with my dad and I think every firearm owner should be required to do similar.

I also like the fact that if a driver injures me, I can collect insurance money. If I’m injured by a gun I can sue, but I’d have to pay for a lawyer.

I understand you want to compare the risk of driving with the risk of death or injury by firearm, but we can probably agree there is significantly higher opportunity for car accidents to the average person. There is also more safety regulation on vehicle ownershi and operation.

You can not buy guns off of craigslist.

[trndobrd]

To each their own, but I would not open carry in urban/suburban environments.

Since fast-draw shootouts a high noon are less common these days, situational awareness is far more important than presentation speed. A few years ago I was in line at a crowded McDonalds, two feet from a dude with a large frame revolver hanging off his hip. Not once during the three minutes I was standing within arms length did he look up from, or take his hands off his Big Mac.

With practice, presentation from a good OWB holster with an untucked shirt or light jacket is nearly as quick as most open carry rigs. Draw from an IWB holster might be a second slower. Just not worth the hassle or risk of being the first target.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

You can not buy guns off of craigslist.

Alright well luckily the gun show loophole is getting close and apparently Craigslist bans gun sales, but you can purchase a gun from a private citizen without oversight.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Delano

Alright well luckily the gun show loophole is getting close and apparently Craigslist bans gun sales, but you can purchase a gun from a private citizen without oversight.

There is no "gun show loop hole".

[Delano]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

There is no "gun show loop hole".

It’s being closed, yes. Now those that make money selling guns at shows do a criminal background check.

Not as much regulation as I’d like, but helps keep guns out of criminal hands which a gun advocate in this thread ensured doesn’t happen.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Delano

Alright well luckily the gun show loophole is getting close and apparently Craigslist bans gun sales, but you can purchase a gun from a private citizen without oversight.

Yes. Private citizens can sell their property to other private citizens of their state.

Can't really go much further into that without the thread quickly getting political.