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**dirk digler** · 01-14-2004, 09:19 AM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article...RNYVT5ZWBXRP4A

An Act of Supreme Loyalty
1/14/2004 6:17 AM

The columnists dissect the 2003 season and take a look at what's ahead for the Chiefs in '04. Read it here in a series of columns beginning next week.

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By Bob Gretz
January 14, 2004 (morning)--Last year, Dick Vermeil showed his loyalty to Greg Robinson by retaining him on his coaching staff.

Robinson paid back that loyalty on Tuesday by resigning as the defensive coordinator of the Chiefs.

It was an extraordinary act by Robinson. He put aside ego, all pretense and he fell on his sword for Dick Vermeil. Team and Vermeil came ahead of himself. No small wonder why the head coach was so emotional when he talked about Robinson and why he felt like he let his assistant down.

In more than 25 years of covering the NFL, I’ve never witnessed anything that came close to Tuesday’s morning gathering. The raw emotion was unforgettable. It was a window into the world that Vermeil has created with his football team. It was a window into the world of coaching and all the twists and turns that make the business so exciting and so heart breaking.

First, Robinson did the right thing in offering to resign. Secondly, Vermeil did the right thing in accepting. After everything that happened with the Chiefs in 2003, the focus was entirely on Robinson and the defense. It would have been impossible for this organization to make enough changes in other areas to overcome the negativity that would have surrounded Robinson’s further employment.

There’s no question the defense was broken. Robinson and the defensive staff tried their best, but in the end it did not come together on the field. Last year, Robinson was handicapped by a defense that had few talented players. This season, the talent level was improved, but it still wasn’t enough.

What was missing was a defensive mind-set that’s absolutely imperative to success in the NFL. Yes, football today is more complicated than it was years ago. Defenses must react to offenses, they must take part in the chess game.

But they must do it with an attitude that was seldom evident around the Chiefs defense. It was never there in 2002, showed itself early in 2003, but then disappeared, returning just briefly for the Chicago game. For that, the players, Robinson, the defensive staff and Vermeil must share the blame.

Beyond scheme, beyond talent, what this Chiefs defensive unit needs is an infusion of passion. When Vermeil picks Robinson’s successor, that’s should be the most important part of his resume.

There are many people celebrating Robinson’s departure, reveling in kicking a man when he’s down, laughing at the raw emotion he was willing to share on what was probably the worst day of his professional life. If you are one of those people, like the classless folks who started a web site to promote the firing of Robinson, please seek help. You believe the success of the team is more important to you, than the people who give their blood, sweat and tears each and every day to make it work. You are deranged and can not a hold a candle to a man like Robinson.

Anybody who witnessed what happened at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday morning should now have a better understanding of what the people who coach in this business put on the line. They don’t always get it right, they don’t always produce.

**Rain Man** · 01-14-2004, 03:51 PM

Yeah, I can laugh about it now, but it really messed me up back then.

memyselfI · 01-14-2004, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I never said the picture wasn't necessarily offensive. I just wondered how you could support a team who's fans are 1000 times worse than this because they've actually done physical harm to people over a FOOTBALL GAME. Me, you, and everyone else posts something stupid from time to time, it's just an internet message board.

I sure hope you aren't insinuating that there are people on this board that actually want to shoot Greg Robinson in the head. If that is the case, I've got some oceanfront property here in Indiana I can sell you.

I'm not 'insinuating' anything...

the vitriol regarding Greg Robinson on this board (especially visual) was more intense and angry than I've seen on any sports board. Obviously DV did not want this action to happen and obviously if he or his staff had seen those pictures they wouldn't be laughing either nor would Robinson be laughing if his kids saw them.

Yeah, some angry football fans hell bent on revenge might find them funny...I guess it took a 'special' person to find them humorous.

Pennywise · 01-14-2004, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

We had a gold shag carpet, and it turned orange, and I remember thinking that it was a really beautiful orange, almost an apricot when the light hit it. who I am.

AHA!

We can let you slide on your choice of BMW colors then...

siberian khatru · 01-14-2004, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Yeah, I can laugh about it now, but it really messed me up back then.

It's good to know you're not messed up now.

Pennywise · 01-14-2004, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfi

I'm not 'insinuating' anything...

the vitriol regarding Greg Robinson on this board (especially visual) was more intense and angry than I've seen on any sports board. Obviously DV did not want this action to happen and obviously if he or his staff had seen those pictures they wouldn't be laughing either nor would Robinson be laughing if his kids saw them.

Yeah, some angry football fans hell bent on revenge might find them funny...I guess it took a 'special' person to find them humorous.

Will you

already?

2bikemike · 01-14-2004, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfi

Show me where I equated their miserable failures to needing to be shot in the head or executed.

It's not being angry with Greg Robinson or being disrespectful to him. It's about the lengths of which the anger and disrespect got here and the move to justify it as a response to a loss and to excuse it as somehow normal.

So maybe you never equated it to being shot in the head or executed. Just pointing out the joy you take in others misery.

As far as those posted pictures, IMHO it is no different than some of those dark comedies that hollywood produces. I.E. "Pulp Fiction" any outrage over Quentin Tarantino from you?

Actually I expect that you will say there is. You appear to me to be someone who will always take the opposite side just so you can argue and bitch.

memyselfI · 01-14-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PennyWise

Will you

already?

Tell people to stop asking questions...

Hopefully no one who visited the firegregrobinson.com site visited the link to CP save they be introduced to the Planet the past twenty four hours and think this is where fans castrate or excecute team members.

Thank God, GR is gone and so the team will be perfect and no one here will have a damn thing to b*tch about or execute someone over.

headsnap · 01-14-2004, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PennyWise

AHA!

We can let you slide on your choice of BMW colors then...

now it all makes since(planet spelling)!

rep

Pennywise · 01-14-2004, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

So maybe you never equated it to being shot in the head or executed. Just pointing out the joy you take in others misery.

As far as those posted pictures, IMHO it is no different than some of those dark comedies that hollywood produces. I.E. "Pulp Fiction" any outrage over Quentin Tarantino from you?

Actually I expect that you will say there is. You appear to me to be someone who will always take the opposite side just so you can argue and bitch.

Dude, your on a roll today.

memyselfI · 01-14-2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bikemike

So maybe you never equated it to being shot in the head or executed. Just pointing out the joy you take in others misery.

As far as those posted pictures, IMHO it is no different than some of those dark comedies that hollywood produces. I.E. "Pulp Fiction" any outrage over Quentin Tarantino from you?

Actually I expect that you will say there is. You appear to me to be someone who will always take the opposite side just so you can argue and bitch.

I don't pay money to see those movies. It was on HBO and I sat through ten minutes of it before I walked out of the room. Never saw movie. And if you must know, I have huge issues with Hollywood glamorizing and trivializing torture and death of human beings...

I'm done with this issue unless people keep asking questions.

**Rain Man** · 01-14-2004, 04:01 PM

Hey, memyselfI, would you please take out the references to drugs and murder in your signature? I really don't appreciate them after what happened to me when I was seven.

tk13 · 01-14-2004, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfi

I'm not 'insinuating' anything...

the vitriol regarding Greg Robinson on this board (especially visual) was more intense and angry than I've seen on any sports board. Obviously DV did not want this action to happen and obviously if he or his staff had seen those pictures they wouldn't be laughing either nor would Robinson be laughing if his kids saw them.

Yeah, some angry football fans hell bent on revenge might find them funny...I guess it took a 'special' person to find them humorous.

Revenge? What? I'm not saying that any of it's funny. You think that there are people on this board that want to kill Greg Robinson, which is absurd.

I also find it's bizarre that you're absolutely never happy with anything that goes on here. There are lots of things on the Internet that you, I, or anyone else would not want to be around, but yet you choose to stay here.

Bootlegged · 01-14-2004, 04:07 PM

What the hell is going on here?

Back to the subject at hand. I've been personally attacked. Headsnap has to. So we've decided to put all of the thousands of dollars we made off the firegreg site and establish www.bobgretzisaclasslessderangedfathead.com

Please give what you can.

Pennywise · 01-14-2004, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by memyselfi

Tell people to stop asking questions...

Stop asking questions people.

JazzzLovr · 01-14-2004, 04:09 PM

You've got it all wrong. The picture was a brilliantly symbollic work of art. The gun represented Gunther Cunningham (Gunther=Gun, I know it's a stretch), whose arrival would bring an end to Greg Robinson's career in Kansas City and usher in a new era of joy and happiness for Chiefs fans everywhere.

*sniff* It was beautiful.

01-14-2004, 09:19 AM
dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $1684644	Guess what? Gretz call us classless and deranged http://www.kcchiefs.com/news_article...RNYVT5ZWBXRP4A An Act of Supreme Loyalty 1/14/2004 6:17 AM The columnists dissect the 2003 season and take a look at what's ahead for the Chiefs in '04. Read it here in a series of columns beginning next week. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Bob Gretz January 14, 2004 (morning)--Last year, Dick Vermeil showed his loyalty to Greg Robinson by retaining him on his coaching staff. Robinson paid back that loyalty on Tuesday by resigning as the defensive coordinator of the Chiefs. It was an extraordinary act by Robinson. He put aside ego, all pretense and he fell on his sword for Dick Vermeil. Team and Vermeil came ahead of himself. No small wonder why the head coach was so emotional when he talked about Robinson and why he felt like he let his assistant down. In more than 25 years of covering the NFL, I’ve never witnessed anything that came close to Tuesday’s morning gathering. The raw emotion was unforgettable. It was a window into the world that Vermeil has created with his football team. It was a window into the world of coaching and all the twists and turns that make the business so exciting and so heart breaking. First, Robinson did the right thing in offering to resign. Secondly, Vermeil did the right thing in accepting. After everything that happened with the Chiefs in 2003, the focus was entirely on Robinson and the defense. It would have been impossible for this organization to make enough changes in other areas to overcome the negativity that would have surrounded Robinson’s further employment. There’s no question the defense was broken. Robinson and the defensive staff tried their best, but in the end it did not come together on the field. Last year, Robinson was handicapped by a defense that had few talented players. This season, the talent level was improved, but it still wasn’t enough. What was missing was a defensive mind-set that’s absolutely imperative to success in the NFL. Yes, football today is more complicated than it was years ago. Defenses must react to offenses, they must take part in the chess game. But they must do it with an attitude that was seldom evident around the Chiefs defense. It was never there in 2002, showed itself early in 2003, but then disappeared, returning just briefly for the Chicago game. For that, the players, Robinson, the defensive staff and Vermeil must share the blame. Beyond scheme, beyond talent, what this Chiefs defensive unit needs is an infusion of passion. When Vermeil picks Robinson’s successor, that’s should be the most important part of his resume. There are many people celebrating Robinson’s departure, reveling in kicking a man when he’s down, laughing at the raw emotion he was willing to share on what was probably the worst day of his professional life. If you are one of those people, like the classless folks who started a web site to promote the firing of Robinson, please seek help. You believe the success of the team is more important to you, than the people who give their blood, sweat and tears each and every day to make it work. You are deranged and can not a hold a candle to a man like Robinson. Anybody who witnessed what happened at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday morning should now have a better understanding of what the people who coach in this business put on the line. They don’t always get it right, they don’t always produce.
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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1408491 VARSITY	Hey, memyselfI, would you please take out the references to drugs and murder in your signature? I really don't appreciate them after what happened to me when I was seven. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Bootlegged One4Mahomes Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: f Casino cash: $9985545	What the hell is going on here? Back to the subject at hand. I've been personally attacked. Headsnap has to. So we've decided to put all of the thousands of dollars we made off the firegreg site and establish www.bobgretzisaclasslessderangedfathead.com Please give what you can.
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01-14-2004, 04:09 PM	#180
JazzzLovr Old timer Join Date: Jan 2002 Casino cash: $10004925	You've got it all wrong. The picture was a brilliantly symbollic work of art. The gun represented Gunther Cunningham (Gunther=Gun, I know it's a stretch), whose arrival would bring an end to Greg Robinson's career in Kansas City and usher in a new era of joy and happiness for Chiefs fans everywhere. sniff It was beautiful.
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