Keep fucking doubting Trent Green... - Page 12

11-17-2002, 03:03 PM

The title of the thread says it all....

fuck you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Green, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every Sunday, and you continue to bash him...

Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.

11-19-2002, 11:24 AM

I DO like alot of things about Green.....I like that he appears to be a "team player", I like that he is a good "community guy"(so is Dilfer)...I like that he accepts responsibility when he screws up, I like his heart....diving head first for the endzone to win the game.....

Green recieved several cheers from me, and comments on the shots he took and got back up....

Don't lump me in the "green sucks" crowd.....But feel free to put me in the "Green isn't Quarterback Jesus" club.

I see several positions that I'd like to see improved with outside players Before Green if that makes you feel any better.

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by stevieray

Tac-o, my point is other Qb's don't get nitpicked on every missed pass.

The hell they don't. I'm willing to bet that this is about the only message board you visit with any regularity if you think that is the case. Brian Griese has won 7 games for us, and he gets criticized each and every game for the stuff he didn't do right... There are Dolphins fans, who despite going on a skid with Lucas, still criticize Fiedler for some of the stuff they think he does wrong. On the San Francisco board, there are fans who call Jeff Garcia a loser who will never be able to take them to the big game.

The stuff I read about Green is pretty mild compared to what a lot of the other teams do. He certainly doesn't have it any worse in KC than if he were in Denver or Miami.

philfree · 11-19-2002, 11:26 AM

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so, once again......Do you "believers think the Green deserves a long term, top 5-10, Franchise QB type contract at the end of the season?

Trent is the #10 QB in the league right now. If he finishes in the top ten then why wouldn't he deserve to be paid like a top ten QB? But then I don't think Trent will be hard to deal with in regards to doing a cap friendly contract. And what does next years contract have to do with Trents play right now? Why does money have to even be brought into the argument at this point? It really has nothing to do with what Trent is doing for and with the team right now. Trent is leading as good as any QB in the league right now IMO. And that's what really matters IMO.

PhilFree

stevieray · 11-19-2002, 11:28 AM

Then fans have unrealistic expectations. Nitpicking every pass is BS.

Of course this the only football board I frequent....Why would I go anywhere else? And besides how is that relevant? You have 8000 posts here, your own board, and visit all those others sites?

You need to get out more, bud.

philfree · 11-19-2002, 11:30 AM

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Then fans have unrealistic expectations

You been reading this board long enough to know that fans are unrealistic. Hell fans are unrealistically unrealistic.

PhilFree

htismaqe · 11-19-2002, 11:31 AM

Why would Chiefs' fans care what those other QB's do?

As for whether or not other cities scrutinize their QB the way we do? You bet your ASS they do.

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by stevieray
Then fans have unrealistic expectations. Nitpicking every pass is BS.

I would agree... My point is, it isn't an exclusive thing to Kansas City. So when you say:

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Only Green is not allowed to have an errant throw. Every other QB is allowed...

...that's off base.

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by htismaqe

As for whether or not other cities scrutinize their QB the way we do? You bet your ASS they do.

Amen to that. If you don't believe it, pop into the Orangemane, or Finheaven and read the exact same arguments you read here, only about Griese and Fiedler.

htismaqe · 11-19-2002, 11:34 AM

I'm gonna take that one step further Taco...

Griese takes some shit, and I would guess that Chiefs' fans are marginally harder on Green...

But NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE in the NFL takes more shit from fans than Fiedler. Green has it good compared to him.

stevieray · 11-19-2002, 11:37 AM

point taken.

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:39 AM

I would agree with that... Griese has a pretty decent base of support, though he's got PLENTY of detractors. The difference is, however, Griese has been winning games. If the Broncos were 5-4 or worse right now, it would be just as bad or worse than what Green is taking now... even though there are plenty of Broncos fans who are rejoicing his injury...

Fiedler takes a lot of crap too... But his supporters have been laying the wood to his bashers, especially after Lucas got in and went on such a horrible skid.

nmt1 · 11-19-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Taco_John

Why shouldn't Chiefs fans give "those other QBs" a pass? WTF do Chiefs fans care if Fiedler throws an errant pass here and there?

I think what was intimated was that these Greenbashers would rather have any QB in the NFL other than Green. They don't bother to look at the poor decisions, stats, etc. that other QB's have, they just know anyone would be better. Kind of a 'grass is greener' thing(no pun intended).

11-19-2002, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by philfree

And what does next years contract have to do with Trents play right now? Why does money have to even be brought into the argument at this point? It really has nothing to do with what Trent is doing for and with the team right now.

PhilFree

Phil......you aren't serious?

The play of the QB has EVERYTHING to do with next years contract and the money expected.

While "statistically" Green is a top 10 QB....I can tell you that it is easier to "manipulate opinion" with statistics than it is in mapping....I can change a color scheme and sway opionion with 3 button clicks.

its all relative, and I for one hope the coaches/management look at the big picture more than "rating".

Taco John · 11-19-2002, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by nmt1

I think what was intimated was that these Greenbashers would rather have any QB in the NFL other than Green. They don't bother to look at the poor decisions, stats, etc. that other QB's have, they just know anyone would be better. Kind of a 'grass is greener' thing(no pun intended).

Of course, some of these other QBs can actually throw to their WRs.

NewChief · 11-19-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Iowanian

its all relative, and I for one hope the coaches/management look at the big picture more than "rating".

I know that many people don't have much faith in the coaching staff, but I'd be pretty confident in their ability to see the big, big picture. We, the fans, see a big picture. They see much more in watching gamefilm repeatedly, being privy to who made the mistake on each poor play, and generally having more football knowledge than we do (as painful as that realization may be for some people

)

Of course, they also might be wanting to spoon Green in the shower, which we know destroys all logic.

11-17-2002, 03:03 PM
ChiefsPride Guest Casino cash: $	Keep fucking doubting Trent Green... The title of the thread says it all.... fuck you doubters. He plays with heart, and he continues to get the job done. You people who bash Green, I don't even consider true fans. He plays his heart out every Sunday, and you continue to bash him... Keep bashing him, I'll keep backing him.
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11-19-2002, 11:24 AM	#166
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	I DO like alot of things about Green.....I like that he appears to be a "team player", I like that he is a good "community guy"(so is Dilfer)...I like that he accepts responsibility when he screws up, I like his heart....diving head first for the endzone to win the game..... Green recieved several cheers from me, and comments on the shots he took and got back up.... Don't lump me in the "green sucks" crowd.....But feel free to put me in the "Green isn't Quarterback Jesus" club. I see several positions that I'd like to see improved with outside players Before Green if that makes you feel any better.
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stevieray best in the biz Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $585273	Then fans have unrealistic expectations. Nitpicking every pass is BS. Of course this the only football board I frequent....Why would I go anywhere else? And besides how is that relevant? You have 8000 posts here, your own board, and visit all those others sites? You need to get out more, bud.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $9709900	Why would Chiefs' fans care what those other QB's do? As for whether or not other cities scrutinize their QB the way we do? You bet your ASS they do.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $9709900	I'm gonna take that one step further Taco... Griese takes some shit, and I would guess that Chiefs' fans are marginally harder on Green... But NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE in the NFL takes more shit from fans than Fiedler. Green has it good compared to him.
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