Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 12

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Kyle DeLexus** · 05-10-2009, 03:24 PM

So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30%

and 35% cripples it

**Rain Man** · 05-10-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

does the 2nd pick of the 4th round have a 108 or 92 point value? im guessing 92(going by 102 overall) but correct me if i'm wrong

It seems to me like valuing the number of the pick is more accurate than going by round, in case compensatory picks vary.

Did I screw you over or help you?

**Rain Man** · 05-10-2009, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30%

and 35% cripples it

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 04:21 PM

well originally i was trying to trade up for connor barwin, but it's impossible(shoulda known). working on something new though and it's looking pretty good. it's a trade down so that helps a little bit, looking at the value chart again I see they have an additional column "AP"(additional/comp picks i assume), I assumed it ended with r7 and therefore the true value would be somewhere in the middle, but it seems they took it into account. funny stuff about the value chart here: http://walterfootball.com/tradevaluecharterrors.php

just rounding out the later picks

**Kyle DeLexus** · 05-10-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Honestly 35% is a lot. I originally thought it was 30 and thats why I found one I would do. Trying to trade out of 3 for 35% would mean you basically trade to 8 about straight up and 30% is trading to 7 straight up.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 05-10-2009, 04:29 PM

Someone put a sweet sig in for me. Takes place of my KCKings draft picks

**Rain Man** · 05-10-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

Honestly 35% is a lot. I originally thought it was 30 and thats why I found one I would do. Trying to trade out of 3 for 35% would mean you basically trade to 8 about straight up and 30% is trading to 7 straight up.

If others want to chime in, we can change it. I thought it was a little high for mid- and late-round picks, but the problem is those first five picks. There's such an escalation of value that almost anyone would trade out of them if the discount isn't big and their guy isn't in the next few picks. It's the problem with perfect knowledge.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 05-10-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

If others want to chime in, we can change it. I thought it was a little high for mid- and late-round picks, but the problem is those first five picks. There's such an escalation of value that almost anyone would trade out of them if the discount isn't big and their guy isn't in the next few picks. It's the problem with perfect knowledge.

Yeah I understand were your coming from. I still wouldn't get the guy I want and feel he would be a reach at 3, so if we wouldn't change it any I'd have to reject Cassel and take Sanchez.

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 05:14 PM

sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

**Rain Man** · 05-10-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
83-Brandon Tate
97-Jonathan Luigs
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

Ooh, blockbuster. But be careful - Belichick is a merciless trade partner.

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 05:28 PM

as am i

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 06:06 PM

oops, for some reason i thought it was a 40% discount, so im gonna rework it a little bit with the new value

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 06:34 PM

here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
73-Antoine Caldwell
83-Brandon Tate
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

**Kyle DeLexus** · 05-10-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks.

I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value

40-Everette Brown
41-Connor Barwin
67-Kraig Urbik
73-Antoine Caldwell
83-Brandon Tate
102-Donald Washington
139-Jasper Brinkley
141-Duke Robinson
175-Jarius Wynn
212-Javarris Williams
232-Jake O'Connell
234-Zach Follett
256-Ryan Succop

WOOT! That mean we are going with 30%?

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 07:09 PM

1430 is 35%

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $1408491 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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05-10-2009, 03:24 PM	#166
Kyle DeLexus Opie and Anthony XM 105 Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10002400	So we are allowed to do one of each a trade up and a trade down? Also the trade down discount is very steep I believe 30% would be acceptable it would be twice what you are giving for a trade up....plus I have found a trade I would do at 30% and 35% cripples it
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05-10-2009, 04:21 PM	#169
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	well originally i was trying to trade up for connor barwin, but it's impossible(shoulda known). working on something new though and it's looking pretty good. it's a trade down so that helps a little bit, looking at the value chart again I see they have an additional column "AP"(additional/comp picks i assume), I assumed it ended with r7 and therefore the true value would be somewhere in the middle, but it seems they took it into account. funny stuff about the value chart here: http://walterfootball.com/tradevaluecharterrors.php just rounding out the later picks
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05-10-2009, 04:29 PM	#171
Kyle DeLexus Opie and Anthony XM 105 Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10002400	Someone put a sweet sig in for me. Takes place of my KCKings draft picks
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05-10-2009, 05:14 PM	#174
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks. I trade the 3 (1320 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 83(175), 97(112), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1316.7 pt value 40-Everette Brown 41-Connor Barwin 67-Kraig Urbik 83-Brandon Tate 97-Jonathan Luigs 102-Donald Washington 139-Jasper Brinkley 141-Duke Robinson 175-Jarius Wynn 212-Javarris Williams 232-Jake O'Connell 234-Zach Follett 256-Ryan Succop
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05-10-2009, 05:28 PM	#176
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	as am i
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05-10-2009, 06:06 PM	#177
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	oops, for some reason i thought it was a 40% discount, so im gonna rework it a little bit with the new value
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05-10-2009, 06:34 PM	#178
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	here we go. sticking with the 4-3 here and accepting the Cassel/Vrabel and TG trades while not trading away any of next year's picks. I trade the 3 (1430 pts at discounted value) to the patriots for the 40(500), 41(490), 73(225), 83(175), 141(35.5), 232(2.2), and the 234(2). 1429.7 pt value 40-Everette Brown 41-Connor Barwin 67-Kraig Urbik 73-Antoine Caldwell 83-Brandon Tate 102-Donald Washington 139-Jasper Brinkley 141-Duke Robinson 175-Jarius Wynn 212-Javarris Williams 232-Jake O'Connell 234-Zach Follett 256-Ryan Succop
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05-10-2009, 07:09 PM	#180
bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	1430 is 35%
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