Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

No shit? You mean to tell me you can't just put a bunch of scrubs around your QB and expect success year over year?!? Who ****ing knew.

4 of his 5 OL played at a high level last year and all we ever did was blame the OL when he struggled.

We move the goalposts a LOT with this offense.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

4 of his 5 OL played at a high level last year and all we ever did was blame the OL when he struggled.

We move the goalposts a LOT with this offense.

High level?

LT was an abject disaster almost all season.
LG was All Pro until Thuney had to salvage LT and then Caliendo was ****ing atrocious.
C was All Pro
RG was wildly inconsistent
RT was middling to okay

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

4 of his 5 OL played at a high level last year and all we ever did was blame the OL when he struggled.

We move the goalposts a LOT with this offense.

We were still the best 3rd down offense in the league by a sizable margin and had 7 game winning drives this year.

The Mahomes shit is pretty misguided. Yeah he hasn’t been playing up to his standard, but when we needed him he turned it on until the whole ****ing team fell apart in the SB.

Some of you guys need to be more grateful. Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glenn and he only won 1 SB and went to 2.

Meanwhile Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with MVS, Watson, Hardman, Toney, Skyy, Juju and rookie Rice as his WR’s.

A little perspective goes a long way sometimes

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

High level?

LT was an abject disaster almost all season.
LG was All Pro until Thuney had to salvage LT and then Caliendo was ****ing atrocious.
C was All Pro
RG was wildly inconsistent
RT was middling to okay

If Thuney/Humphrey/Smith/Taylor doesn't meet with your approval, you must not watch ANY football outside of Kansas City.

From LG through to RT, Patrick Mahomes got better play than the overwhelming majority of quarterbacks. By a LOT for most of them.

You've also assured us that Cam Robinson won't be good enough at LT. And god help us all if the Chiefs sign DJ Humphries. Kingsley is already as good as dead in your eyes.

Nothing is going to be satisfactory for you -- Bottom line is you're just going to bitch about the offensive line regardless of what happens. Oh, unless we trade about 70% of our draft capital to move up to 15 and take an OT who's more likely to be worse than Robinson than better over the course of his rookie deal.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We were still the best 3rd down offense in the league by a sizable margin and had 7 game winning drives this year.

The Mahomes shit is pretty misguided. Yeah he hasn’t been playing up to his standard, but when we needed him he turned it on until the whole ****ing team fell apart in the SB.

Some of you guys need to be more grateful. Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glenn and he only won 1 SB and went to 2.

Meanwhile Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with MVS, Watson, Hardman, Toney, Skyy, Juju and rookie Rice as his WR’s.

A little perspective goes a long way sometimes

The Colts always prioritized the offense and weapons around Manning and consistently came up short in the playoffs.

The same thing you guys all seem to want to do now with Pat.

Mahomes won back to back SB's when he had the GOAT tight end playing his ass off and then the best defense in the league.

If we want to go with the GOAT talk, he's just gotta make shit happen and win.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We were still the best 3rd down offense in the league by a sizable margin and had 7 game winning drives this year.

The Mahomes shit is pretty misguided. Yeah he hasn’t been playing up to his standard, but when we needed him he turned it on until the whole ****ing team fell apart in the SB.

Some of you guys need to be more grateful. Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glenn and he only won 1 SB and went to 2.

Meanwhile Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with MVS, Watson, Hardman, Toney, Skyy, Juju and rookie Rice as his WR’s.

A little perspective goes a long way sometimes

Dafuq is this nonsense?

Guy doesn't pay my mortgage.

He's entertainment. That said, I get more enjoyment and entertainment from observing and evaluating the game than I do by just shutting my brain off and saying "Won game -- neat!"

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We were still the best 3rd down offense in the league by a sizable margin and had 7 game winning drives this year.

The Mahomes shit is pretty misguided. Yeah he hasn’t been playing up to his standard, but when we needed him he turned it on until the whole ****ing team fell apart in the SB.

Some of you guys need to be more grateful. Peyton Manning had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday and Tarik Glenn and he only won 1 SB and went to 2.

Meanwhile Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with MVS, Watson, Hardman, Toney, Skyy, Juju and rookie Rice as his WR’s.

A little perspective goes a long way sometimes

This narrative that Mahomes is somehow a lesser QB than other GOAT candidates because he can't carry scrubs may be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen come out of Chiefsplanet.

Tom Brady went a literal decade only playing in two Super Bowls while playing his best ball in large part because the team stagnated around him.

Joe Montana won half of his Super Bowls throwing to the greatest WR of all time.

Peyton Manning doesn't even belong in the conversation. Two Super Bowls in his career, one of them playing against a Rex Grossman offense that turned the ball over 5 times and one of them when he was the worst player on his team getting hard carried by a Super Team.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If Thuney/Humphrey/Smith/Taylor doesn't meet with your approval, you must not watch ANY football outside of Kansas City.

From LG through to RT, Patrick Mahomes got better play than the overwhelming majority of quarterbacks. By a LOT for most of them.

You've also assured us that Cam Robinson won't be good enough at LT. And god help us all if the Chiefs sign DJ Humphries. Kingsley is already as good as dead in your eyes.

Nothing is going to be satisfactory for you -- Bottom line is you're just going to bitch about the offensive line regardless of what happens. Oh, unless we trade about 70% of our draft capital to move up to 15 and take an OT who's more likely to be worse than Robinson than better over the course of his rookie deal.

When the hell have I ever written off Kingsley? Hell, I think the team did him a massive disservice. Now Morris is DOA for me, that dude is ****ing trash and the team knows it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

The Colts always prioritized the offense and weapons around Manning and consistently came up short in the playoffs.

The same thing you guys all seem to want to do now with Pat.

Mahomes won back to back SB's when he had the GOAT tight end playing his ass off and then the best defense in the league.

If we want to go with the GOAT talk, he's just gotta make shit happen and win.

Uh, he has? You realize he is tied for 4th in rings among QB’s since the merger right? And he’s not even 30…right?

You think Joe Montana didn’t have help? You think Tom Brady didn’t have help? Or Bradshaw? Or Aikman?

This is a terrible argument dude. It takes a team. And you are out of your mind if you think “help” for Mahomes is 5 LT’s, Justin Watson as WR1 in snap count and an old at the end of his days HOF TE the last 2 years.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Uh, he has? You realize he is tied for 4th in rings among QB’s since the merger right? And he’s not even 30…right?

You think Joe Montana didn’t have help? You think Tom Brady didn’t have help? Or Bradshaw? Or Aikman?

This is a terrible argument dude. It takes a team. And you are out of your mind if you think “help” for Mahomes is 5 LT’s, Justin Watson as WR1 in snap count and an old at the end of his days HOF TE the last 2 years.

That's my point.

You guys keep acting like he doesn't have anything to work on. My point is that he absolutely does. And the examples I've provided were almost entirely guys who didn't get there until they were later in their careers (or firmly in their primes) and simply knew ways to work around problems.

Mahomes already knows many of those ways.

There's more yet to learn. And the only way to learn those things is to acknowledge them.

Fortunately Mahomes DOESN'T think the sun rises and sets with him. I've said all along I absolutely believe he'll continue to grow and develop as a player and will be able to do the things that Brady and Manning did so often to help his OL out and make them better than they were.

Hint -- that ISN'T running around like he does when he feels pressure.

He can already do things they've never even dreamed off. That raw ability is innate -- he has it and they didn't. And he has the drive they had. And he has the processing power. He just needs to realize there's a better mousetrap to be had here and in situations like that, try to be LESS spectacular.

That's a lesson that can only be learned through time and experience. There's no reason in the world he won't learn it.

Unless he spends as much time convincing himself that we should all just be grateful for what he is as you guys do.

I suspect he won't.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

DJ is right here in that relative to your average OL, from LG to RT the Chiefs were more than adequate...

Which furthers the point I've made all month that LT is his kryptonite and they gotta establish some peace of mind for him back there or it won't matter what the rest of the line does. He doesn't handle the blindside pressure well.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Rather than depend on Veach to strike gold at LT, the easier pathway to fixing your blindside pressure problem is

1) Help the LT a lot more than you have
2) Always make the quick passing game a priority with a solid to good run game to lean back on

If you're only hope is "we have to acquire an elite LT", problems will continue...

[O.city]

The easiest pathway is for the QB to deal with pressure better.

Now sometimes, absolutely just untenable. Guys getting ass kickings immediately and fast pressure isn't gonna work.

But when there's none of that and the QB's eyes immediately go down because he's been hit, it's a problem.

It ain't gonna matter who you got running routes if he can't get the ball to them.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Rather than depend on Veach to strike gold at LT, the easier pathway to fixing your blindside pressure problem is

1) Help the LT a lot more than you have
2) Always make the quick passing game a priority with a solid to good run game to lean back on

If you're only hope is "we have to acquire an elite LT", problems will continue...

This is a good point we need a great pass blocking TE again to help out with spicy heat pass rushes. Gronkowski was a great blocker as well as receiver, not to dig Kelce but he did not block well in the SB

[O.city]

"Help the LT more" is fine, but that's less guys in the pattern.

So you're gonna be throwing into tighter windows at that point.