*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Wait, so you really think there’s a chance that he walks?

Rationally? No, of course not.

Then again, sticking with a team through Grbac, Huard, Thigpen, Cassel, and Smith (to name less than a third of the turds they’ve rolled through here) doesn’t exactly scream “rational fan” now does it?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Rationally? No, of course not.

Then again, sticking with a team through Grbac, Huard, Thigpen, Cassel, and Smith (to name less than a third of the turds they’ve rolled through here) doesn’t exactly scream “rational fan” now does it?

Hey....you aren't the only person to legitimately thought about it. It's crept into my mind from time to time. I just think that the Chiefs aren't going to let him go, barring a major meltdown between player and team.

[FAX]

I think the more authentically scary-ass Halloween story is this;

What happens when Wally leaves? He's 60 years old, now. He can't whisper to QBs forever. Wally is THT's mentor now. His sensei and guru. That's going to leave a big Wally-sized hole in THT's professional life.

FAX

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Guys, simmer down.

It takes more than 6 weeks to flush 30 years of suck out of one’s system.

I’m with you but try to look at this through Pat’s eyes. He knows that the guys he knows are in bad spots. Baker is stuck with a shitty HC. DeShaun Watson has a bad coach, Case Keenum has a bad coach.

Let’s not get this twisted. Andy made Mahomes. He knows that almost anywhere else in the league would not have him anywhere near where he is now.

As long as Andy Reid is coaching this team, Mahomes won’t waste a single thought on leaving.

If Clark is smart, he’ll offer Andy tons of money to stay as a consultant of some type when he finally decides he’s done coaching.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by FAX

I think the more authentically scary-ass Halloween story is this;

What happens when Wally leaves? He's 60 years old, now. He can't whisper to QBs forever. Wally is THT's mentor now. His sensei and guru. That's going to leave a big Wally-sized hole in THT's professional life.

FAX

By then, if Mahomes becomes an elite quarterback, he won't have to rely on his coach

Peyton Manning went to 4 Superbowls with 4 different coaches. Elite quarterback>coach

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Best22

By then, if Mahomes becomes an elite quarterback, he won't have to rely on his coach

Peyton Manning went to 4 Superbowls with 4 different coaches. Elite quarterback>coach

True

[FAX]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’m with you but try to look at this through Pat’s eyes. He knows that the guys he knows are in bad spots. Baker is stuck with a shitty HC. DeShaun Watson has a bad coach, Case Keenum has a bad coach.

Let’s not get this twisted. Andy made Mahomes. He knows that almost anywhere else in the league would not have him anywhere near where he is now.

As long as Andy Reid is coaching this team, Mahomes won’t waste a single thought on leaving.

If Clark is smart, he’ll offer Andy tons of money to stay as a consultant of some type when he finally decides he’s done coaching.

There is iron in these words of life.

FAX

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Jesus some of you are pussies. He’s not going anywhere. This is the team him and his agent wanted. Reid will still be the HC when it’s time to pay up.

0% chance we lose him.

Yup. It's gonna be an Andrew Luck situation. Ownership will just come out and say "Hey, we're gonna make the kid the highest paid player in football; it'll get done when its time to get it done"

My concern is the other side of the Luck equation - not that we don't keep him (we will), but that as he gets deeper into his career, the cry of 'we can't waste the Mahomes years....' will get louder and louder as the rest of the young core starts to leave via FA.

Win one in the next 3 seasons and none of those cries amount to anything. That's the Russell Wilson model. Few Seahawks fans are that broken up about anything given that they won a championship with him. Personally I don't exactly share that viewpoint, but I understand it.

There will be legitimate panic if this team hasn't been to a SB by the end of the 2020 season and it won't be out of fear of losing Mahomes. It will be out of fear of missing your best window to put a truly elite team around him.

But we're gonna file all that under 'shit I'll worry about when I'm 40' because there's time yet...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I’m with you but try to look at this through Pat’s eyes. He knows that the guys he knows are in bad spots. Baker is stuck with a shitty HC. DeShaun Watson has a bad coach, Case Keenum has a bad coach.

Let’s not get this twisted. Andy made Mahomes. He knows that almost anywhere else in the league would not have him anywhere near where he is now.

As long as Andy Reid is coaching this team, Mahomes won’t waste a single thought on leaving.

If Clark is smart, he’ll offer Andy tons of money to stay as a consultant of some type when he finally decides he’s done coaching.

Andy will die or get fired.

Maybe if he wins 3 championships in 5 years or something he'll decide he's had enough, but that guy is a true junkie. I don't think he wants to go home and spend his days with his wife and grandkids. I don't think he particularly cares if he goes into the office at 3 AM one day at 74 years old, has a coronary and dies at his desk.

The dude is an old school ball coach in the Bowden/Paterno mold. He'll coach until he's dead or forced out.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But we're gonna file all that under 'shit I'll worry about when I'm 40' because there's time yet...

Um...I’ve already passed 40, you bastard.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yup. It's gonna be an Andrew Luck situation. Ownership will just come out and say "Hey, we're gonna make the kid the highest paid player in football; it'll get done when its time to get it done"

My concern is the other side of the Luck equation - not that we don't keep him (we will), but that as he gets deeper into his career, the cry of 'we can't waste the Mahomes years....' will get louder and louder as the rest of the young core starts to leave via FA.

Win one in the next 3 seasons and none of those cries amount to anything. That's the Russell Wilson model. Few Seahawks fans are that broken up about anything given that they won a championship with him. Personally I don't exactly share that viewpoint, but I understand it.

There will be legitimate panic if this team hasn't been to a SB by the end of the 2020 season and it won't be out of fear of losing Mahomes. It will be out of fear of missing your best window to put a truly elite team around him.

But we're gonna file all that under 'shit I'll worry about when I'm 40' because there's time yet...

Mmmmmm ...

Clearly, people typically base their projections on historical precedent, Mr. DJ's left nut.

But I think the league is changing far more than most fans realize.

The internet has changed the profit model, the players are changing the pay-scale model, and the rules have changed "how the game is played". (And I think they've even started using full-time officials, have they not? At least some of them, I think.)

Anyway, given that amount of sea-change, I don't think that prior templates apply as easily or as well.

The Chiefs franchise (read; Hunt) rewrote the book on how to change the NFL back in the day. I think we may well see the same thing happen again.

FAX THE DEEP THINKER ON STUFF

[FAX]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Andy will die or get fired.

Maybe if he wins 3 championships in 5 years or something he'll decide he's had enough, but that guy is a true junkie. I don't think he wants to go home and spend his days with his wife and grandkids. I don't think he particularly cares if he goes into the office at 3 AM one day at 74 years old, has a coronary and dies at his desk.

The dude is an old school ball coach in the Bowden/Paterno mold. He'll coach until he's dead or forced out.

Dang ... that's the second time today I feel motivated to dig a little deeper.

Let's say he does want (and is able) to coach for 10 more years (which at his weight, I find unlikely).

He's not going to be tromping around practice fields at 70. He doesn't have the kneebone to do it.

It is possible, however, that he continues to develop HCs for another 5 years. That I can definitely see. And one of those guys will probably return to serve the HC role for us. I'd prefer Nagy at this point ... and if that's how it works out.

FAX

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by FAX

Dang ... that's the second time today I feel motivated to dig a little deeper.

Let's say he does want (and is able) to coach for 10 more years (which at his weight, I find unlikely).

He's not going to be tromping around practice fields at 70. He doesn't have the kneebone to do it.

It is possible, however, that he continues to develop HCs for another 5 years. That I can definitely see. And one of those guys will probably return to serve the HC role for us. I'd prefer Nagy at this point ... and if that's how it works out.

FAX

Kafka. Our current QB coach.

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by FAX

Need to make this the TD song at Arrowhead!

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by The Pest

Kafka. Our current QB coach.

Hopefully nobody is stupid enough to hire Bienemy as a HC in the next few years. If not, I think we can hide Kafka long enough to make him the HC in waiting.