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Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM  
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Old 10-25-2022, 02:42 PM   #1711
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Like I said, I'd give him the deal MVS got.

It's essentially a 1 year, $9 million dollar deal with team options for $9 million and $12 million thereafter.

If necessary, I'd go ahead and effectively lock in the 2nd year and make it a 2 year, $18 million deal w/ an option for a 3rd at $12 million.

He's an extremely young player who has improved here. Throwing that out because he didn't hit the ground at 100 mph (and remember, I have never liked the pick) is just awfully reckless, IMO.

Now if the money doesn't work, it doesn't work. I think JJSS or Hardman is a false choice - we can make that work.

But if it's Hardman or Thornhill? Hmmmmm.....now we're making things tough. I think I'd rather have Thornhill.

But my justifications are similar, both guys offer something that's not as easy to get as is being suggested.
After watching the Jags give Christian Kirk $18 million AAV, I think a WR like Hardman will get more than MVS easily.

Probably around $12-14 million which to me is way too much
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Old 10-25-2022, 02:44 PM   #1712
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Like I said, I'd give him the deal MVS got.

It's essentially a 1 year, $9 million dollar deal with team options for $9 million and $12 million thereafter.

If necessary, I'd go ahead and effectively lock in the 2nd year and make it a 2 year, $18 million deal w/ an option for a 3rd at $12 million.

He's an extremely young player who has improved here. Throwing that out because he didn't hit the ground at 100 mph (and remember, I have never liked the pick) is just awfully reckless, IMO.

Now if the money doesn't work, it doesn't work. I think JJSS or Hardman is a false choice - we can make that work.

But if it's Hardman or Thornhill? Hmmmmm.....now we're making things tough. I think I'd rather have Thornhill.

But my justifications are similar, both guys offer something that's not as easy to get as is being suggested.
Mostly agree with this.

Partly I'm not sure which I'd keep; MVS or Hardman, if I had to make a choice. They're both fast, but Hardman has better change-of-direction (I think). MVS is nearly as fast, but he's a bigger target. But if he can be had for basically the same deal as MVS', then great.

If the choice was Hardman/Thornhill, yeah, I'm definitely with you, keep Thornhill. Thorny is having his best season, and if Veach is as smart as I think he is, he'll do everything within reason to keep Thorny. He'd be difficult to replace. Hardman in that scenario is a nice luxury.
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After watching the Jags give Christian Kirk $18 million AAV, I think a WR like Hardman will get more than MVS easily.

Probably around $12-14 million which to me is way too much
MVS signed after Kirk.

So to whatever extent Kirk re-set the market, MVS has a deal that's within it.
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Old 10-27-2022, 09:02 AM   #1715
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I'm not sure if this makes me feel better or worse about Skyy. You might think that the comparison of the usage to Tyreek Hill is a positive but Tyreek Hill was a running back coming out of college and his route running needed a lot more refining.

Skyy was touted as one of the more polished route runners coming out of this draft class, I understand not rushing a rookie and allowing them to digest the playbook but Skyy from a pure receiving stand point shouldn't require as much coaching from a technical perspective.

FYI still fairly bullish on Skyy, took awhile for Golden Tate to bust out- I like that comparison the best.
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Skyy also has 3 vets ahead of him that are playing very well. Not every one of those situations is the same.
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Skyy also has 3 vets ahead of him that are playing very well. Not every one of those situations is the same.
But he's still getting snaps, so are you saying he's just not getting the targets because of those 3?
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But he's still getting snaps, so are you saying he's just not getting the targets because of those 3?
I know this might be shocking to you, but there are only so many targets to go around when you combine those 3 with Kelce and the RBs.

I'm sure he will get more after the bye though. That's typically when rookie WRs start getting more involved.
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I know this might be shocking to you, but there are only so many targets to go around.

I'm sure he will get more after the bye though. That's typically when rookie WRs start getting more involved.
It's not shocking to me, was just asking for clarification.

This kinda puts to rest the snaps argument, now just need to figure why he isnt' getting more opportunities
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Moore has been targeted in 11% of his snaps.

MVS and Hardman come in at 9 and 10%.

Problem is, the area of the field that Moore plays in is the same area as Kelce and JuJu who are getting 16 and 14%.

He isn't on the field that often and he's playing against Mahomes' favorite targets.
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I'm not sure if this makes me feel better or worse about Skyy. You might think that the comparison of the usage to Tyreek Hill is a positive but Tyreek Hill was a running back coming out of college and his route running needed a lot more refining.

Skyy was touted as one of the more polished route runners coming out of this draft class, I understand not rushing a rookie and allowing them to digest the playbook but Skyy from a pure receiving stand point shouldn't require as much coaching from a technical perspective.

FYI still fairly bullish on Skyy, took awhile for Golden Tate to bust out- I like that comparison the best.
Skyy came from a school where the defensive looks werent 1/3rd of what hes seeing on game day now. He has to learn the playbook, learn to read defenses on the run and build chemistry with Pat. Its not as simple as plug in an athlete. If he had come from ohio state, alabama or some other school where theres NFLish defenses i'd be more concerned. I personally expect more of an Antonio Brown style entry than Jamaar Chase.
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Multiple times this season, I've seen Moore either make a deeper cut or not drive towards the ball when Mahomes is scrambling.

He has to make his cut and then drive forward to keep the defenders from cutting in front of him. I think one of Mahomes' INT was Skyy's fault
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