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I understand that Giordano was a prick. Even to his supporters and friends and probably had some martyr complex or why be a monk. So I can understand how one can make an argument that he really isn't the most sympathetic person to bring to stage. But that is why he is important to defend, as a prick, because his approach was modern compared to the understanding of truth that he was judged by at his point in history.
The swirl in the blog world is just the echo chambers of those like yourself who want to claim the success of science but don't want to perverse your religious treading. And that is sort of ok except we get the huge push by religious dogma even today in the teaching within public schools. And it is in that light that this controversy is front and center today.
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Bruno was a pure supernaturalist who tried to co opt some science to prop up his crazy ideas. Please explain to us how this is in any way good for science? Again, that is no different than a tarot card reader who tries to use quantum theory to legitimize their nonsense. |
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Your outrage on this is pretty overblown, too. The larger point on this is that the free exchange of ideas is necessary. The nit-picky point you are arguing could easily be addressed in the film by changing a couple minor lines.
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My outrage is not AT ALL overblown. Science is about FACTS and when you "fudge" on those facts you destroy your credibility. The entire segment on Bruno was fantasy... not just a few "lines" here and there. Again, anyone who bothers to do the least bit of research can see this plain as day. |
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Wow talk about your picking points. Galileo didn't think planets traveled in ellipses. Newton believed in transmutation of elements. There is plenty wrong with a lot of what early scientific thinkers brought forward in some of their ideas. Bruno had bad ideas just like Newton. But he argued from a consistent acting natural process that was uniform (and for the time included evil spirits, demons and the notion of souls and who didn't at that time). He didn't accept something like Historical Science in which the past acted differently than the present that Mr. Hamm insists on. No the present informed the whole of existence. That is the essence of what science is about. It is looking to consistency not exceptions to inform our understanding. So you can nit pick about what he got wrong but that doesn't change the fact that the philosophy of Revealed Understanding is at odds with a Discoverable Understanding. And that is what I am defending.
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He was a spiritual guy who believed in things for no reason, and one of those things happened to be correct, and later condemned by the church. Their later actions on Galileo a few years later also help to confirm that they weren't ambivalent about astronomy. Again, your outrage is really overblown here. You may have thought you heard things that weren't stated.
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Bruno fantasized about the nature of the universe then would pick and choose aspects of science or math that he felt propped up his beliefs. Bruno's belief system was NOT AT ALL based on discoverable understanding. You can say it over and over but why don;t you actually try reading up and you'll see he was just as much about "revealed" truths as the Church was... he just had a different set of beliefs than they did and he (just like the Church) was willing to pick and choose aspects of science to justify them. |
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I knew a bit about Bruno and was surprised they'd use him, so I paid pretty close attention to what they were doing, and noted that they carefully made sure everything they stated was not false. I have two problems with the scene. First, they should have called him a martyr to free speech, or left that line off altogether. Its one line though, nothing to get excited over. My second problem is that their point would have been made far more effectively if they axed that whole Bruno scene and recounted the life of Galileo. I guess showing someone getting burned is more exciting than just mere house arrest, or perhaps they just wanted everyone to learn about Bruno.
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It just amazes me that people feel the need to defend a show for a piece of fantasy about a guy that was basically a Scientologist of his day.
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Cosmos narrated by Neil DeGrasse Tyson on FOX right now.
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Happy St. Patty's day! Here's a nice drinking song to teach you how alcohol works.....
Lyrics: In the year of our lord eighteen hundred and eleven On March the seventeenth day I will raise up a beer and I'll raise up a cheer For Saccharomyces cerevisiae Here's to brewers yeast, that humblest of all beasts Producing carbon gas reducing acetaldehyde But my friends that isn't all -- it makes ethyl alcohol That is what the yeast excretes and that's what we imbibe Anaerobic isolation Alcoholic fermentation NADH oxidation Give me a beer [CHORUS] My intestinal wall absorbs that ethanol And soon it passes through my blood-brain barrier There's a girl in the next seat who I didn't think that sweet But after a few drinks I want to marry her I guess it's not surprising, my dopamine is rising And my glutamate receptors are all shot I'd surely be bemoaning all the extra serotonin But my judgment is impaired and my confidence is not Allosteric modulation No Long Term Potentiation Hastens my inebriation Give me a beer [CHORUS] When ethanol is in me, some shows up in my kidneys And inhibits vasopressin by degrees A decrease in aquaporins hinders water re-absorption And pretty soon I really have to pee Well my liver breaks it down so my body can rebound By my store of glycogen is soon depleted And tomorrow when I'm sober I will also be hungover Cause I flushed electrolytes that my nerves and muscles needed Diuretic activation Urination urination Urination dehydration Give me a beer [CHORUS] CHORDS Intro: D DAG / bm A D D A G / bm A G D G D A G / G D G A G D A bm / G D A D Pre - chorus: G D A bm / G D A Chorus (Li-Diddly-I): G D A bm A G D A D Verse: D DAG / Bm A D D A G / Bm A G D G D A G / bm A G D A bm / G D A D
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Cant believe this thread hasn't been updated with this yet, its all over the place, top of reddit etc.
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The ratings for Cosmos have been pretty unusual. Overall, the old people just aren't watching it, Cosmos finished last out of the big 4. Resurrection won all across the board, but the Good Wife and Believe finished ahead of Cosmos among all viewers.
However, the young people (age 18-49) who the advertisers care about are watching, and it finished comfortably 2nd among that highly-prized demographic. The Cosmos folks are basically counting that as a success and cheering, since advertisers don't really care very much about the older group.
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