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I finally pulled it off the DVR last night and they did a great job of polishing NDT. He's super awkward on talk shows but having a script seems to straighten him out.
My wife could care less about science and was playing on her iPad while I watched it. She was drawn to the calendar analogy and I could tell that her mind was totally blown. |
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It's kind of like saying 'here's a great documentary to tell you all about the legendary 1969 SB champion Chiefs. . . . Al Davis was such a dick, let me detail how much of a dick he was, the end.'
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I tend to disagree. Informing people as to how stifling to our civilization religion has been and can be is very important. Otherwise they might just teach creationism in schools, or that the earth is only 6000yrs old and Jesus used to ride raptors.
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None of my EE classes discussed religion, ever. Guess what, I learned a lot about science.
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I find it weird at the consternation exhibited by Baby Lee and AustinChief in regards to Giordano Bruno's portrayal in the series.
It is true, that Giordano was put to death for his heretical religious views. But it would only be heretical religious views that would rise to the level of requiring a death penalty. It has been brought up many times that the hierarchy of Understanding at that time put Theology at the top with then philosophy, law and toward the bottom was natural science and mathematics. Only when these lower fields of understanding came in direct conflict with theology did there rise cause to consider the death penalty. And because they were thought as derivative to understanding their weight in argument was not considered prominent. Giordano's ideas that included heretical views on the Trinity and such, grew directly from his extension of his Naturalistic View of existence. He rejected a supernatural explanation. And it only makes sense for the times that the Religious results of his philosophy should be the basis of his receiving the death penalty. It is clear that the whole of his ideas were on trial as far as he was concerned. It was just that the Church drew a death penalty from the authority of highest reasoning in Religion in order to justify such sentence. You wouldn't do so for some petty Natural Science idea.
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I find it weird that he'd devote so much time to an INTERPRETATION of history, a wrong one at that, if he wanted to teach science. It's like starting a series on the nuts and bolts of the game of football, training, plays, schemes, throwing motion, velocity, etc., like ESPN's The Science of Football. Then sitting around railing on the NFL exemption, salary caps, costly concessions and parking, etc.
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It wasn't wrong interpretation of History. I repeat it was the Naturalistic Philosophy that was placed as the authority by Giordano as opposed to Theological Arguments. That reflects the modern scientific success and position in discovering understanding as opposed to Revelation. It is at the center of the disagreement between faith and science.
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You do realize that's possible? I don't watch Enter The Dragon to see a Twilight romance. As for the detractors, you might open more minds by presenting the science alone than you would presenting the science then muttering 'but your religion keeps ****ing all this interesting shit up.' At it's base, NDT is not being a scientist right now, he's being a social activist.
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That is why you took your EE class or physics or whatever. This show is not that end at all.
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I notice you also ignore the fact that they lied in representing the nature of his life not just his death. There is NO PLACE whatsoever in a show about science for what amounts to needless propaganda. I recommend that before you reply you actually do some research on Bruno then go back and watch Cosmos and tell me with a straight face that it wasn't ridiculous. I'll help you out and get you started http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ou...ck-wrong-hero/ |
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No, it's to show kids shiny pictures about the universe while they convince them religion is bad.
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I am not an expert on the writings of Giordano, but I don't see a guy who insists that our sun and planets are not unique, that atoms make up existence and the naturalistic observations were infinite and universal as being supernatural in form that would be the central Christian view at the time with man being the center of created existence.
I am sure there could be elements that could be said to be supernatural like having god present everywhere equally in the universe. But that is much more consistent with a uniform understanding that can be discovered than a revealed religious edicts with unique properties put forth as true knowledge.
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Well understanding how science works starts with looking to Naturalistic Laws to develop understanding and not revealed truth. Revealed truth at the times was bad for it held its truth was unassailable. Modern Science can be changed with new findings and expansion of understanding. So if you are doing science, instead of just reading science, you do try to put your prejudices about the absolutes aside in coming to an understanding. As far as the facts of science those ideas come later in the series but it is to be understood the release of science was the embracing of a uniform explanation that can be discovered.
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I should probably clarify that on Sunday, it was an eyeroll. But after seeing his media offensive the past two days, I'm saddened that he is clearly aiming to be a social activist instead of a scientist.
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