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Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM  
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:37 AM   #1636
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Getting kinda old drafting WR's in the 2nd round and having to be so patient with them to do something. Maybe we shouldn't keep doing that?
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:39 AM   #1637
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Is it excuses and hand-waiving to say, "Not every player who has an okay/decentish NFL career is going to come out playing like Randy Moss in his rookie season?"

I'm not even predicting Moore is going to have an okay/decentish NFL career. I'm just saying please wait a goddamn minute. And in the meantime, remember when Chase Claypool had that stretch of like 4 games in his rookie year where we all went, "Hoo boy look out" and now that franchise is just counting down the days until his contract runs out. Or they just get impatient and trade his ass.

And I don't fault you for wanting to go DE and pointing out the current issues we have there and how we could use a player like Williams. I'm comparing WR to WR only.
Except that's not the argument I am making or the responses I'm getting.

As for Pickens - maybe just drop the antenna a bit because I'm not seeing nearly as much Pickens chatter as you're acting like there is here. There have been like a half-dozen references to him and almost all of them in passing. It's not like you're getting complex breakdowns of Pickens route tree vs. Moore's here.

We expected Moore than we're getting from Skyy Moore. And to hear Andy toss him directly under the bus in the post-game presser (but in his very Andy sort of 'well that's a teachable moment' sort of way) suggests that things are perhaps not going as smoothly as anyone expected on this front.

But fortunately we don't have Aaron Rodgers out there calling him a **** on a hot mic or something. So yes, there's still a decent chance that he becomes a solid player. I again will cite Sterling Shepard as a solid comp.

But g'damn folks, he hasn't played well. And the folks that are most ardent in now saying he shouldn't have been expected to were the same folks that were predicting 1,200 yard seasons for him and calling him the #1 receiver in the draft. That's...odd.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:39 AM   #1638
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Again I ask his supporters, who among you predicted this level of performance coming into the season? And please, show receipts. Because I didn't like the pick and still had him being about twice as productive as he's been to this point. Am I supposed to pretend like it's all been wine and roses with the guy?
I dont predict shit any more because its exhausting to me to try and follow college sports. I couldn't tell you a single name for a guy projected as a first round pick any more. I cant tell you who the favorites are for the #1 overall pick next year right now.

What I can see with my own eyes though is that the team traded Tyreek Hill and tried to replace his game in multiple different players. MVS with the speed. JuJu with the middle and underneath shit.

You can look at the OP in this thread and come to the conclusion that Moore is a guy that was most successful in agility and creating immediate space off the line and running a bunch of short routes. That kind of overlaps with JuJu right now. I never expected him to come out blazing like Randy Moss. He has had very little opportunity to even do anything in this offense so far. I don't even really expect him to be a 1,000 yard receiver. I do expect him to be more productive than Hardman in the long run and be a reliable guy to go to on slants, crosses, screens, (insert name of quick short route here) for a handful of easy cheap yards.
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Getting kinda old drafting WR's in the 2nd round and having to be so patient with them to do something. Maybe we shouldn't keep doing that?
Here's the thing - they aren't doing that with Moore.

Remember the "We have some packages for him we just didn't get to" comment in the Indy game?

They're not treating Moore like he's a 4-year veteran and asking him to learn every position. Andy's said as much. And in a game where we could just smile and dial for a first down whenever we wanted it, we STILL didn't get him involved - y'know, except for that time he ran the wrong route and caused a pick.

This ain't on Andy, fellas. Reid has absolutely demonstrated a willingness to get skill sets involved early in a player's career. And he's stated a desire to do so with Moore.

It just hasn't taken thus far.
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If agreeing with DJ where reflecting on current documented performance labels me as a hater, then we definitely need to take a wait and see approach to Skyy. Oh and **** DJ. (Did i do that correctly)
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Getting kinda old drafting WR's in the 2nd round and having to be so patient with them to do something. Maybe we shouldn't keep doing that?
Keep in mind this offense and Patrick’s play style are not easy to adjust to quickly. Juju just said on Sunday that he finally felt chemistry this week with Patrick. So a veteran getting all of the work took about half a season to get comfortable.

It took a while for MVS too. Remember the preseason game vs the Commanders when Patrick missed him and he was wide open? Or the Indy game where that happened again on the first drive. MVS had 3 steps and Patrick overshot him.

It takes time dude.

I still maintain that Skyy is the replacement for Hardman after this year. I think they want him to be that 4th WR to spot play this year kinda like Justin Watson.
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Keep in mind this offense and Patrick’s play style are not easy to adjust to quickly. Juju just said on Sunday that he finally felt chemistry this week with Patrick. So a veteran getting all of the work took about half a season to get comfortable.

It took a while for MVS too. Remember the preseason game vs the Commanders when Patrick missed him and he was wide open? Or the Indy game where that happened again on the first drive. MVS had 3 steps and Patrick overshot him.

It takes time dude.

I still maintain that Skyy is the replacement for Hardman after this year. I think they want him to be that 4th WR to spot play this year kinda like Justin Watson.
So if he’s the replacement for Hardman as a #3 WR, what is the long term plan at #1 or 2 outside? Re-sign Juju at $20 million a year? Or are we banking on Ross to develop? Draft another receiver high in the draft in 2023?
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Keep in mind this offense and Patrick’s play style are not easy to adjust to quickly. Juju just said on Sunday that he finally felt chemistry this week with Patrick. So a veteran getting all of the work took about half a season to get comfortable.

It took a while for MVS too. Remember the preseason game vs the Commanders when Patrick missed him and he was wide open? Or the Indy game where that happened again on the first drive. MVS had 3 steps and Patrick overshot him.

It takes time dude.

I still maintain that Skyy is the replacement for Hardman after this year. I think they want him to be that 4th WR to spot play this year kinda like Justin Watson.
Jesus titty****ing Christ that's an awful use of a 2nd.rounder if that was their intention.
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Keep in mind this offense and Patrick’s play style are not easy to adjust to quickly. Juju just said on Sunday that he finally felt chemistry this week with Patrick. So a veteran getting all of the work took about half a season to get comfortable.

It took a while for MVS too. Remember the preseason game vs the Commanders when Patrick missed him and he was wide open? Or the Indy game where that happened again on the first drive. MVS had 3 steps and Patrick overshot him.

It takes time dude.

I still maintain that Skyy is the replacement for Hardman after this year. I think they want him to be that 4th WR to spot play this year kinda like Justin Watson.
Hardman will get a 2nd contract from KC of he is reasonable.
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Getting kinda old drafting WR's in the 2nd round and having to be so patient with them to do something. Maybe we shouldn't keep doing that?
I'm not sure why we keep shying away from drafting the best talent on the board, instead picking how they best "envision" them in Reid's system. Just like passing on DK and George Pickens (who could be a star on a better team).
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I'm not sure why we keep shying away from drafting the best talent on the board, instead picking how they best "envision" them in Reid's system. Just like passing on DK and George Pickens (who could be a star on a better team).
Because there were major red flags on both of them. That's why they weren't taken till the bottom half of the 2nd round.
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Hardman will get a 2nd contract from KC of he is reasonable.
Why would they pay Hardman? He’s a gadget player. He doesn’t run routes well. He succeeds on jet sweeps and screens.

Do you really think it’s difficult for a rookie to do that job?
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Why would they pay Hardman? He’s a gadget player. He doesn’t run routes well. He succeeds on jet sweeps and screens.

Do you really think it’s difficult for a rookie to do that job?
Speed, guys that run that fast aren't just all over the place. It'll be about money though.

Also yea in hindsight taking Moore over Pickens doesn't look like a smart move, you can't win em all I guess.
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Speed, guys that run that fast aren't just all over the place.
We just signed a guy with his speed to a 3 year deal that in 7 games is pretty damn close to putting up a full season of Hardman's production.
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