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Old 04-15-2025, 07:20 AM  
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Old 04-17-2025, 12:08 PM   #151
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I really don't want this to happen. By Vrotch's own admission, there's only 13 players they've graded as first round talent. It's always possible one of those players slips to that 21-27 range and the feel they HAVE to go get him (McDuffie springs to mind), but being at 31 feels like a sweet spot to get a complimentary guy next to Chris Jones or another receiver for Mahomes.

If anything, I'd be fine with a move back to the top of round 2 for an extra pick or two this year.
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Old 04-17-2025, 12:20 PM   #152
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That's Nolan and Harmon, IMO.

They're not trading up for an OT. If they only have 13 guys with 1st round grades, there's no damn way one of them is Simmons or Conerly.

If they trade up, it'll be for one of those DTs.
I think if they get stuck in no man’s land like 2023 with nobody accepting a trade up and the board being void of the guys they want, I could totally see them taking Conerly assuming he’s there.

But I don’t think that will happen.
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Old 04-17-2025, 12:24 PM   #153
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Can we 'resolve' it by trading Smith for a 2nd rounder and then extending McDuffie and Karlaftis?

God I hate the idea of another $22+ million dollar interior lineman.

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Ya know, Seattle has good cap room and a major need for a guard. They also have #50 AND #52 this year. Veach could pry one of those from them for Smith.
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Old 04-17-2025, 12:30 PM   #154
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I really don't want this to happen. By Vrotch's own admission, there's only 13 players they've graded as first round talent. It's always possible one of those players slips to that 21-27 range and the feel they HAVE to go get him (McDuffie springs to mind), but being at 31 feels like a sweet spot to get a complimentary guy next to Chris Jones or another receiver for Mahomes.

If anything, I'd be fine with a move back to the top of round 2 for an extra pick or two this year.
I wonder if all the QBs are not included in that 13, maybe made up number, amount?

You add 3 maybe 4 QBs and that pushes at least one of those 13 down to the 16th-17th pick. THEN you know some teams will take a flyer so lets say 2-3 more taken that Veach doesn't consider one of the 13. Now we are pushing into the 18th-20th over all pick to get one of the 13.
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Old 04-17-2025, 01:20 PM   #155
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I think if they get stuck in no man’s land like 2023 with nobody accepting a trade up and the board being void of the guys they want, I could totally see them taking Conerly assuming he’s there.

But I don’t think that will happen.
I'd be fine with them taking Conerly at the back of the round -- I'm just not interested in trading up to do so.

No Man's Land isn't awful in this draft. It's not ideal, but picking in the back of the 1st never is.

If they trade up, it'll be for one of the two blue chip DTs that could be there in the late teens/early 20s. If they take an OT, it'll be at 31.
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Old 04-17-2025, 01:29 PM   #156
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Field Yates/Kiper joint 3 round mock has us taking Harold Fannin Jr with the Titans early 3rd rounder. I would be fine with that.
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Old 04-17-2025, 01:40 PM   #157
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Ya know, Seattle has good cap room and a major need for a guard. They also have #50 AND #52 this year. Veach could pry one of those from them for Smith.
Just not seeing them trade Smith at this point. First, there is no FA's you can spend the 22 million on. Second, it would open up another hole in the line and 3rd it would need to be done prior to the draft and that team would need to make sure Smith is going to sign long term. So really it would need to happen like yesterday. I do not see Smith being an easy contract.
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I wonder if all the QBs are not included in that 13, maybe made up number, amount?

You add 3 maybe 4 QBs and that pushes at least one of those 13 down to the 16th-17th pick. THEN you know some teams will take a flyer so lets say 2-3 more taken that Veach doesn't consider one of the 13. Now we are pushing into the 18th-20th over all pick to get one of the 13.
Is there really more then 2 QB's. Dart Millone.... may not go before our pick.
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Just not seeing them trade Smith at this point. First, there is no FA's you can spend the 22 million on. Second, it would open up another hole in the line and 3rd it would need to be done prior to the draft and that team would need to make sure Smith is going to sign long term. So really it would need to happen like yesterday. I do not see Smith being an easy contract.
No, but you could put that money to use on extensions for McDuffie and Karlaftis. Maybe even Chenal if there's any left and he's interested in the discussion (I probably wouldn't be in his shoes -- his markets going to be awfully tough to gauge so I'd want to test it if I were him).

I believe the bonus money would need to be factored into this season's cap even if the final year of the rookie deal remains unchanged.

I mean I guess I don't specifically recall since we NEVER seem to sign our extension eligible guys before they finish out their walk year anymore....

Still completely bizarre to me that we didn't get this done with Smith last season if we're suddenly interested in doing it now. We learned nothing we didn't already know and simply cost ourselves a lot more money.

This has been handled pretty poorly by Veach.
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Not sure if we’d get anything more than a 3rd, but if we traded Trey, I’d go after Tate Rutledge. That guy is gonna be a good RG for a long ass time.
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No, but you could put that money to use on extensions for McDuffie and Karlaftis. Maybe even Chenal if there's any left and he's interested in the discussion (I probably wouldn't be in his shoes -- his markets going to be awfully tough to gauge so I'd want to test it if I were him).

I believe the bonus money would need to be factored into this season's cap even if the final year of the rookie deal remains unchanged.

I mean I guess I don't specifically recall since we NEVER seem to sign our extension eligible guys before they finish out their walk year anymore....

Still completely bizarre to me that we didn't get this done with Smith last season if we're suddenly interested in doing it now. We learned nothing we didn't already know and simply cost ourselves a lot more money.

This has been handled pretty poorly by Veach.
I think the plan was to let him walk. But any long term deal probably would have increased the cap. I mean he only made 3 million or so last year. Guessing any deal he would want a huge signing bonus and doubt the chiefs would want to go more that 4 years.

But i think after the Super Bowl, they decided on a bigger more physical line. He has probably more years of productivity than Thuney... Get a draft, still pretty much the same % of the cap towards the OLine...
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More smoke today for the Chiefs trading up. From ESPN today:

I've heard that the Kansas City Chiefs are actively looking to trade up in Round 1. They signed left tackle Jaylon Moore in free agency but were otherwise quiet, opting to re-sign their own versus hitting the open market. A move up in Round 1 would likely be for a long-term offensive tackle solution; I heard the goal would be to move in front of the Houston Texans (No. 25) and Los Angeles Rams (No. 26) if the Chiefs like a specific left tackle still on the board.
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