Chiefs Chiefs sign Allen Bailey to extension - Page 11

O.city · 11-15-2014, 02:31 PM

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Per league source, Chiefs sign DE Allen Bailey to four-year extension. Base value is $25 million. $10 million to sign.

**mdchiefsfan** · 11-15-2014, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It looks more and more like his downfall was Cassel and inability to get a decent head coach.

Hell! Bailey wouldn't have gotten this contract had Devito not gotten injured. This HC benched him too. Makes you wonder where the disconnect lies.

Chief Roundup · 11-15-2014, 10:16 PM

Great signing.

**mdchiefsfan** · 11-15-2014, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Pioli's downfall was his ego, and both of these are examples of it. He couldn't admit failure with Cassel, and his ego wouldn't allow head coaches to coach... he just wanted them to be a proxy for Pioli. He's the only GM I can remember (outside of Al Davis, who was FAR more accomplished than Pioli ever will be) that dictated scheme on both offense and defense and forced his coaches to work within his tiny bubble of experience.

**mdchiefsfan** · 11-15-2014, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

I'm not a knee jerk fanatic as some on here are. I won't grab the pitch fork at the first sign of trouble nor will I immediatly fellate him when he does something good.

I'm more of an attaboy or not good guy.

That being said, I believe he gets an attaboy here.

I get that I am blowing this thread up, but there is so much to respond to.

With that said, yes he gets an atta boy for THIS signing. But for the depth he has brought in, for the wise choices of who to let go and who to retain, and the draft picks who are contributing he deserves a good guy, as you put it.

**mdchiefsfan** · 11-15-2014, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Stuff Pioli gets credit for:
-Charles contract
-The 2011 trade down that got us Houston
-Hudson, Bailey, and Poe
-Keeping the front office stairwells clean of candy wrappers

Stuff Pioli was handed on a silver platter:
-**** ton of cap room
-All those dudes from the 2008 draft as well as DJ, Bowe, Hali, Colquitt, and Tony Gonzalez's corpse worth a 2nd round pick
-The Eric Berry and Justin Houston picks (I think even Carl could have made those picks)

Stuff Pioli screwed up:
-Everything, including not knowing a QB from his own asshole and being the hated scourge of every possible head coaching candidate in the country

Don't forget that, yes he made the trade to get that 3rd round pick, but Houston being available at that pick was a gimme. It's not like he traded down in hopes Houston was there.

**mdchiefsfan** · 11-15-2014, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

LOL whatever. He's 25. These are they guys you keep.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2014, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I keep telling you but you keep not listening about the cap increase... The Chiefs already have just over 135 million tied up next year in top 51 contracts before this move and before the Sherman move. The cap increases from 133 to 140 million next year. 140 - 135 = 5. They an rollover about 4.5 from this year. In the other thread they have 9.1 million with the cap rollover. They need, probably, at least 8 of that to sign the draft class.

That leaves you with the pool you described plus about 1 million. Justin Houston, if retained is easily going to cost near the upper echelon of pass rush contracts, which means about 14 million cap hit, on average per year. We'll see how that shakes, but it would have to be awful friendly to the Chiefs in 2015 and escalate to rather enormous numbers thereafter to hit what he'll command. So if you are intent on re-signing Houston, that ate up your pool.

That leaves you with Hali to do anything else of note, which would also include re-signing Hudson, who will probably command somewhere in the 4.5 to 7 million per range.

Even if you do all that, you have to re-sign some of the other 17 free agents the Chiefs have out there, most notably you'll need to re-sign about 10 of them. Even if they average out at league minimums, you're going to need around 9 million in space to do that.

I don't care about the exact number of the cap increase. $5M. $10M. It doesn't matter. Between the cap increase, Hali restructure or cut, and lots of veterans with expendable contracts, the Chiefs have plenty of wiggle room.

The more important point is you keep pointing to Houston's $14M cap figure as if that's what you have to pay him. You don't have to. Same with Berry. You can easily significantly reduce their year 1 cap figure by delaying a roster bonus. Again, these are things I wouldn't have done this year, but in 2015 there's PLENTY of opportunities for creative contract structuring.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I don't care about the exact number of the cap increase. $5M. $10M. It doesn't matter. Between the cap increase, Hali restructure or cut, and lots of veterans with expendable contracts, the Chiefs have plenty of wiggle room.

The more important point is you keep pointing to Houston's $14M cap figure as if that's what you have to pay him. You don't have to. Same with Berry. You can easily significantly reduce their year 1 cap figure by delaying a roster bonus. Again, these are things I wouldn't have done this year, but in 2015 there's PLENTY of opportunities for creative contract structuring.

By the way....
Alex Smith is getting paid $4.6M this year.

That tells you what you need to know. The Chiefs should have no problem keeping their guys on this team.

Chief Roundup · 11-15-2014, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

By the way....
Alex Smith is getting paid $4.6M this year.

That tells you what you need to know. The Chiefs should have no problem keeping their guys on this team.

Not sure why his number matters this year other than maybe a little rollover, but his number next season is $15.6M. Any rollover from him is more than ate right back up in his own increase.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2014, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Not sure why his number matters this year other than maybe a little rollover, but his number next season is $15.6M. Any rollover from him is more than ate right back up in his own increase.

I'm only pointing to Alex Smith as an example that it's easy to set up a contract with a low year 1 cap hit. There's no reason why Justin Houston should cost $14M in year 1, no matter how big his contract.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-15-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm only pointing to Alex Smith as an example that it's easy to set up a contract with a low year 1 cap hit. There's no reason why Justin Houston should cost $14M in year 1, no matter how big his contract.

I wonder if that was sticking point to the deal?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

I wonder if that was sticking point to the deal?

It would have been impossible to pay for his contract otherwise.

Like the contract I'm proposing for Berry or Houston, Smith's contract has some trigger bonuses in year 2 or 3 (can't remember details). They're optional roster bonuses but they're pretty much guaranteed. It's basically a way to pay some of your signing bonus today and defer some of it later.

Direckshun · 11-15-2014, 11:13 PM

Haven't read the thread yet, but will very soon.

1st of all, this is an excellent re-signing for the Chiefs, and it shows a flexibility and pragmatic approach by Dorsey that we have yet seen. The Chiefs could have stayed pat, let Bailey walk, and let DeVito come back.

Instead, they've actively re-signed Bailey and will now probably actively cut DeVito. Great work by Dorsey, and a very sensible contract.

2nd, I'd like to be a child for a moment and rub this in mcaj's face, who criticized me for saying that this deal that I projected for a couple months now was unreasonably cheap:

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DE Allen Bailey to a 4 year, $22m deal ($8m guaranteed)

I almost nailed it on the head.

Chief Roundup · 11-15-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 505 Chief

I wonder if that was sticking point to the deal?

I could certainly see where a team would not really want to give 20 +/- million and a significant salary to one player in the same season. That could be a lot of cash being payed to just one player in a single year.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-15-2014, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I could certainly see where a team would not really want to give 20 +/- million and a significant salary to one player in the same season. That could be a lot of cash being payed to just one player in a single year.

It really has nothing to do with wanting to pay cash up front or not. It has everything to do with when you want that cash to hit your cap.

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