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I kinda thought the same thing - it looked for all the world like he did exactly what he was supposed to do. Quote:
These fellas aren't mind-readers. If anything, Mahomes had 2 guys he could've thrown to and instead threw to nobody in particular. I think, if you insist on putting blame on anyone, it's on Pat. He has the view of that play unfolding that Worthy doesn't have. And Rice continuing his route wasn't an awful thing - he also went into space. The WRs gave him 2 options for 1st downs and we got nothing from them despite those routes being right in front of him.
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Then 2022 happens and Mahomes is MVP and we're the #1 offense in the league. So... does Bienemy get credit for that or is it all just Andy and Mahomes again? It's just always been this way with the OC. We pick and choose when they're calling the shots when its convenient for our narrative. And its usually when things aren't going well. |
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When you look at this play I definitely think Pat was throwing to Rice and he bounced it. Worthy was wide open though.
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But yeah - he's probably going to be fine. He always has been. It's just that we need to be willing to call this stuff as we see it. He's not playing well. He didn't play well for big chunks of last season either. And we've made things pretty damn hard on him with his weapons and OTs not being as strong as we'd like them to be. It's the NFL - it's just not as easy as the Chiefs (and Mahomes specifically) has made it look at times. You're not supposed to win a SB, you're damn sure not supposed to win them 3 times in 5 years or in back to back years. You're not supposed to go 3-0 against projected playoff teams coming off those B2B titles. None of this is supposed to be simple. And yet...the jobs getting done.
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I say this to my kids all the time trying to coach them in baseball and football - your hands follow your eyes. When his eyes were 'split' between the two targets, his hands kinda followed and he ended up throwing it to neither of them. But the bottom line is he had two guys who had the first down conversion off an easy throw. If that's Matt Cassell, it ends up in a GIF'D Up thread. And it really kinda should. It was a pretty gnarly mistake on a play that should've been really easy to execute.
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I also wonder if he didn't dirt it on purpose.
Look at 31 - he's getting ready to jump the route. I wonder if he expected 31 to follow Kelce and started to make his throw, then he saw 31 closing on Rice and didn't want to risk the pick-6. So instead of trying to throw at a tight window along the sideline where only Rice could catch it, he just dirted it to live to fight another day. He may not have seen Worthy at all. Or at least not until he'd already made his decision on the throw. EDIT: And man his mechanics are weird there. Look at how late off he is with his shoulders. They're not following his legs at all and he put a hitch in his delivery. It's Mahomes - I don't expect his shoulders to follow his feet with every throw - he does that off-platform stuff extremely well. But the hitch in his delivery is different. He didn't see his read and trigger. He brought the ball up almost tentatively before firing it through. And it threw the timing between his top and bottom half way off. That's how you end up spiking breaking balls into the dirt sometimes. I wonder if that's not what happened here. Just a mechanical fault born of not being terribly sure what he wanted to do with the ball when he triggered. Too much to unpack on that play to really draw conclusions at this point, IMO.
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Offense will come around. We won the SB with much worse personnel . It will get to being a machine.
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One other thing, a couple of seasons ago people were complaining that Pat was hyper focused on Kelce and not seeing the whole field and open receivers. Wonder if he is now doing the same thing but with Rice. |
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oh just noticed Simmons was on Rice..well that explains alot lol
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