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Yeah, Tomlin is a lot better than JF, no question. Again, I personally think Tomlin is a good HC, just think Harbaugh is a level up on him. Probably if I lined them up, there's only a handful (or little more) of HCs I'd take ahead of Tomlin.
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The Ravens GM drafted Lamar. Harbaugh also didn’t revamp the offense, though I’ll give him credit for delegating and promoting Roman in order to do so and maximize Lamar’s abilities. I feel like you’d have the opposite opinion if the Steelers GM had drafted Lamar instead. |
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Actually I think I was thinking about the 2008 defense. But whatever, I didn't mean that the 2012 defense was the best ever, just that during his tenure as HC they had one of the best defenses in the NFL. Even still, in 2012 that was a pretty good defense. Good enough to help that team win a SB anyway. Certainly that offense wasn't going to win a SB by itself. And that's what I meant about revamping the offense; by bringing in Roman. Obviously Harbaugh wasn't going to do it by himself; he's not an offensive guru. But he understood pretty quickly that Lamar wasn't going to be able to run a traditional NFL offense, and took steps, large and sweeping steps, to change the offense to suit his new and very raw QB, correct? And no, I probably wouldn't have that opinion if PIT drafted Lamar, because I highly doubt that Tomlin would've done what Harbaugh did. I think Tomlin would've tried to make Lamar operate a traditional offense, and ultimately benched him in favor of someone that could. Basically, what Tomlin has been doing since Rothlisberger's retirement with his merry-go-round approach to his QB room.
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We're all just guessing. This is all hypothetical. But the fact remains that Harbaugh went to great lengths to completely change the offense. The obvious conclusion is that he realized that Lamar wasn't going to be able to run a more traditional NFL offense so he made the change. And as I recall, before he did that, he was in some danger of being fired. At least he was on the hot seat, according to both of my friends that are BAL fans. Like I said, just my opinion, and it's not like I've followed Lamar's career real closely. However, we've seen him vs. the Chiefs several times now, and it's a fact that every time Lamar has been forced to become a pocket passer, every time he's been forced to abandon that RPO heavy offense, he's struggled. Has he improved as a QB since he was drafted? Yes, some. If he had a minor lower body injury that took away his ability to run, would I rank him above Kirk Cousins? Not a chance.
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you're citing season results. I'm talking about performance. Yes, in 2018 Lamar finished his season with a 6-1 record. But he also posted a 58% completion%. 6 TDs and 3 INTs over 170 attempts, so 28.3 pass attempts per TD. A success% of 43.5%. 42.6 QBR (well below average) and a Passer rating of 84.5, also below average. And I haven't even posted his numbers in the playoffs, which are significantly worse. Won't get into all the nitty gritty, but in 6 playoff games, Lamar is 2-4, has thrown just 6 TDs in those 6 appearances, as well as 6 INTs, to go along with a 57% completion%. And so on. Yes, Lamar can win a lot of regular season games based on his athletic ability, with a great defense, but there are plenty of statlines other than final season results that say he's not a great QB. That he needs a fair amount of help to be as successful as he's been. Anyway, obviously this is all hypothetical, but I just don't see Tomlin deciding to change his entire offense to fit Lamar. Based just on his recent history, it looks like Tomlin would try to get Lamar to run the offense they already have in place. We'll never know, but that's how it looks to me.
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I'm not interested in Lamar's ability to run when considering his ability to play QB. I'm interested in his ability to throw a pass. To read a defense. To make adjustments at the line presnap as well as during the play. If I wanted to examine how a player runs, I'd check out CMC or some other RB. The question here is what kind of QB is Lamar? And the answer is kind of average, unless he's running, in which case he's not really a QB anymore; he's a RB that throws the ball 15-20 times a game.
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And his ability to effectively drive down the field in the playoffs is not good. Not vs. good teams with good defenses. He's a great fantasy QB - Horrible playoff QB.
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This has evolved into a debate about Lamar Jackson.
You said Tomlin is a good coach and just a step below Harbaugh. That’s close enough for me. |
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John Harbaugh does seem to underachieve, but he also had to deal with a Patriots dynasty and now a Chiefs dynasty. I actually think he could pull and Andy Reid, and be even more successful at his next job. If he doesn't get to the SB this year, both he and the Ravens should at least discuss moving on from each other. Sometimes, good head coaches just stay in one place too long. If he stays, he needs to just go all-in on either a running offense with Lamar getting 20+ carries a game, or hiring the next McVay and a top notch offensive staff and get TF out of their way, and see if Lamar can be a real QB. As it is now, they are just stuck in between those, and it doesn't make anyone better on offense. |
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Did Harbaugh actually hinder Lamar’s development by catering their run-heavy offense around his playing style? I’m sure we’ll never know but it is a possibility. |
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