Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-23-2022, 10:34 AM  
Dante84 Dante84 is offline
Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs
 
Dante84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: ATX & OPKS
Casino cash: $-118004
VARSITY
Chiefs trade Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins

Will update OP with more info.



Posts: 20,094
Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:27 AM   #1621
Sassy Squatch Sassy Squatch is online now
The man you could post like.
 
Sassy Squatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $509655
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush View Post
This Dorsey stuff is schtick, right?
No.
Posts: 39,899
Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:28 AM   #1622
smithandrew051 smithandrew051 is online now
I Like The Kansas City Chiefs
 
smithandrew051's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Shawnee, KS
Casino cash: $1284400
Man Deberg would’ve had such a good thread about this…what might have been.
__________________
My 2024 Adopt a Chief: Leo Chenal

Holy Hat!
Posts: 28,554
smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:28 AM   #1623
BleedingRed BleedingRed is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Houston, Tx
Casino cash: $3290400
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut View Post
Yes it does.

But it's fair to say he's trending in the right direction, no?
No it’s fair,

I wanna see more like last years tho to get excited
Posts: 28,395
BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:29 AM   #1624
IowaHawkeyeChief IowaHawkeyeChief is offline
In Search of a Life
 
IowaHawkeyeChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2016
Casino cash: $930400
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcbubb View Post
We are justifying this trade by saying we couldn’t pay him. That’s not true. We could have kept him ONE more year (he had one year left on his contract) and then traded him next year.
Maybe, or he could have gotten hurt, etc. We are getting prime picks in one of the deepest drafts in the areas we need to fill. It hurts now, but was easily the wisest decision with Hill's demands...
__________________
Chiefs are my favorite football team of all time!
Posts: 28,044
IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:29 AM   #1625
staylor26 staylor26 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
staylor26's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Casino cash: $-160960
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle View Post
Super excited to see the pre draft visit list this year. Gotta figure it's WR, CB, and DE heavy, especially the top 30.
We just don’t hear about many of those visits anymore.
Posts: 50,956
staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:29 AM   #1626
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is offline
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $1089099
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck View Post
guys, we won a SB with a 'stars and scrubs' roster. Then we made one more.

But the lack of quality depth cost us that ring, and now the bill has come due.

No, you're not going to replace Hill with any ONE PLAYER. But other offenses are just as productive with a combination of guys if not more so, and that's what we'll need to do going forward.

This is the Way.
And even when we won that ring, how many of us were loudly advocating for that approach?

Not to bring Dorsey back into this, but what I loved about Dorsey's approach here was that he was a Ron Wolf 'roster layers' guy. He treated the draft as an opportunity to add talent EVERYWHERE and if that meant some of those guys were depth for a year or two - so be it? Depth will win you football games in this league and a lack of it will lose them.

Then for a couple years on Mahomes rookie deal we went away from that approach and just went on the attack for 3 years. But it's not sustainable at all.

So now we're getting back to building through layers. And that's the way you have to do it. And if that works and you get a new 'foundation' in place, you can then take another 2-3 attack years to try to put some top end on those layers.

This just seems like such a no-brainer to me. I just don't see how anyone can think this is the wrong path forward.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 63,320
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:32 AM   #1627
Sassy Squatch Sassy Squatch is online now
The man you could post like.
 
Sassy Squatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $509655
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 View Post
We just don’t hear about many of those visits anymore.
Because of COVID the past couple seasons.
Posts: 39,899
Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:37 AM   #1628
comochiefsfan comochiefsfan is offline
MVP
 
comochiefsfan's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2018
Casino cash: $680400
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush View Post
This Dorsey stuff is schtick, right?
Absolutely not.

John Dorsey is a giant that looms over this entire franchise. It's his legacy that Brett Veach is chasing.

Running him off is the worst thing this franchise has ever done.

I'll never be able to thank him enough for what he's done and if I ever meet him drinks are on me.

He's a Chiefs legend.
Posts: 7,605
comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.comochiefsfan Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 8     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:37 AM   #1629
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $1104064
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut View Post
And even when we won that ring, how many of us were loudly advocating for that approach?

Not to bring Dorsey back into this, but what I loved about Dorsey's approach here was that he was a Ron Wolf 'roster layers' guy. He treated the draft as an opportunity to add talent EVERYWHERE and if that meant some of those guys were depth for a year or two - so be it? Depth will win you football games in this league and a lack of it will lose them.

Then for a couple years on Mahomes rookie deal we went away from that approach and just went on the attack for 3 years. But it's not sustainable at all.

So now we're getting back to building through layers. And that's the way you have to do it. And if that works and you get a new 'foundation' in place, you can then take another 2-3 attack years to try to put some top end on those layers.

This just seems like such a no-brainer to me. I just don't see how anyone can think this is the wrong path forward.
I hate trading away HOF players but I guess I get it.
Posts: 82,883
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:37 AM   #1630
Shields68 Shields68 is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Jan 2017
Casino cash: $2310400
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck View Post
guys, we won a SB with a 'stars and scrubs' roster. Then we made one more.

But the lack of quality depth cost us that ring, and now the bill has come due.

No, you're not going to replace Hill with any ONE PLAYER. But other offenses are just as productive with a combination of guys if not more so, and that's what we'll need to do going forward.

This is the Way.
Factor in the super bowl was before a lot of the stars were wanting paid. Bottom line the Chiefs had a number they could go without causing other problems with the roster. Tyreke had another number.

20 million + 5 decent picks could work if the money and picks are used right.
Posts: 5,633
Shields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby PiscitelliShields68 's adopt a chief was Sabby Piscitelli
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:38 AM   #1631
FringeNC FringeNC is offline
MVP
 

Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: NC
Casino cash: $26014
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck View Post
guys, we won a SB with a 'stars and scrubs' roster. Then we made one more.

But the lack of quality depth cost us that ring, and now the bill has come due.

No, you're not going to replace Hill with any ONE PLAYER. But other offenses are just as productive with a combination of guys if not more so, and that's what we'll need to do going forward.

This is the Way.
Great framing of the issue. That's the trade-off, yeah. We did make 4 straight AFCCG with the 'stars and scrubs' approach. We didn't just lose a star, we lost a HOF-caliber player. Paying those guys top dollars isn't what kills you I think. It's paying guys like Frank Clark top dollar.
Posts: 10,179
FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.FringeNC would the whole thing.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:39 AM   #1632
IowaHawkeyeChief IowaHawkeyeChief is offline
In Search of a Life
 
IowaHawkeyeChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2016
Casino cash: $930400
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 View Post
Sneed was absolutely a HR.

Bolton could be as well.

It’s hard to have a ton of HRs when you’re picking late and rarely have a 1st round pick.
^this^ Add in Thornhill, Gay and Fenton as well...
__________________
Chiefs are my favorite football team of all time!
Posts: 28,044
IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:40 AM   #1633
TomBarndtsTwin TomBarndtsTwin is offline
MVP
 
TomBarndtsTwin's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2013
Casino cash: $3869883
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed View Post
Dorsey draft Hill? Kelce? Mahomes? Etc he obviously had issue but let’s not act like Dorsey didn’t hit some home runs
Did Dorsey whiff on TWO Top 5 picks in his first year as Brown's GM?

But yet he drafted those guys you mentioned with the Chiefs. It's almost like he had a strong scouting dept. with the Chiefs that led him to make some great later round picks, and yet when not having that same solid scouting dept. with the Browns, he made some really bad picks . . . . . . hmmmmm.

If you're gonna talk him up and try and present him as 'the guy' that picked Hill, Kelce, and Mahomes, you need to be equally willing to roast him for blowing TWO Top 5 picks in one draft.

That's only fair.
Posts: 9,641
TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.TomBarndtsTwin is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:44 AM   #1634
IowaHawkeyeChief IowaHawkeyeChief is offline
In Search of a Life
 
IowaHawkeyeChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2016
Casino cash: $930400
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck View Post
even that is a false equivalency. There are 5 picks in the trade, and it freed up $20 plus million a year. So pick a late first, a late second, two fourths, and a sixth round pick and then $20 million worth of free agent signings.
I think we are on the same page... I'm saying, you can't just look at picks 29 and 50 for the last 10 years and say no one was drafted that were GREAT, but if you look around those picks, there were GREAT players taken. I like this deal, even though it hurts to see Tyreek go.
__________________
Chiefs are my favorite football team of all time!
Posts: 28,044
IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.IowaHawkeyeChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2022, 09:44 AM   #1635
MahomesMagic MahomesMagic is offline
Generational Player
 
MahomesMagic's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2017
Location: Honolulu
Casino cash: $2270400
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin View Post
Did Dorsey whiff on TWO Top 5 picks in his first year as Brown's GM?

But yet he drafted those guys you mentioned with the Chiefs. It's almost like he had a strong scouting dept. with the Chiefs that led him to make some great later round picks, and yet when not having that same solid scouting dept. with the Browns, he made some really bad picks . . . . . . hmmmmm.

If you're gonna talk him up and try and present him as 'the guy' that picked Hill, Kelce, and Mahomes, you need to be equally willing to roast him for blowing TWO Top 5 picks in one draft.

That's only fair.
Good point. Dorsey wasn't working alone. He had a star-studded staff including Ballard and Brett Veach.
Posts: 5,839
MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.MahomesMagic is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:01 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.