Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

[SHOWTIME]

We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[Chiefnj2]

The game will come down to the rush for both teams.

Vic Fangio plays mostly cover 3 and quarters. KC will need the OL, Pacheco, Hunt and Perrine to have a good day. They will need to establish the run early in order to open up the passing game.

Similarly, KC will need to limit Saquon without having the DB's cheat up too much, or else it will open up Philly's passing game.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I've gotten the vibes from Andy all week that he knows this game plan is damn good with a nice chance to have Philly on their heels.

We'll see how they execute it.

I've never seen this kind of confidence in Andy.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Last year, I kinda talked myself into thinking we could handle the 49ers and would win by at least 7 points. I thought we'd expose their defense and have overall command of the game. That did not happen at all, and it took a muffed punt to get us back in the game.

So yeah, I know we're talking big here, but I refuse to give myself that level of confidence. This is gonna be a close game, probably a 3 point or less game going into the last 2 minutes. That's just how we do it.

[UChieffyBugger]

Daniel Jeremiah made an interesting point saying he thinks KC should surprise the Eagles defense by playing with tempo. That way you can wear down the Eagles D-line and confuse their young secondary on the back end. He said forcing them to communicate quickly should be high on Andy's list.

And that's what the media folks don't understand. Most of the Eagles defense haven't played in a superbowl before. Mitchell, Dejean, Carter, Baun, Smith, Milton, Blankenship, Davis, Huff, Rogers etc. So there's an opportunity to really target those guys and test those nerves.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The game will come down to the rush for both teams.

Vic Fangio plays mostly cover 3 and quarters. KC will need the OL, Pacheco, Hunt and Perrine to have a good day. They will need to establish the run early in order to open up the passing game.

Similarly, KC will need to limit Saquon without having the DB's cheat up too much, or else it will open up Philly's passing game.

Yea Super Bowls are determined by RBs, not QBs!

Lol no. It won't "come down to the rush for both teams".

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The game will come down to the rush for both teams.

Vic Fangio plays mostly cover 3 and quarters. KC will need the OL, Pacheco, Hunt and Perrine to have a good day. They will need to establish the run early in order to open up the passing game.

Similarly, KC will need to limit Saquon without having the DB's cheat up too much, or else it will open up Philly's passing game.

Man, I really want to see Hollywood and/or Worthy on some drags through that cover 3. Just pop that little lob pass out the back side of a zone and let him catch it with a head of steam and one man to beat down the sideline.

Just strikes me as a bad idea against this team. I'd force them over the top since that's the thing we haven't shown an ability to do with any regularity all season.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea Super Bowls are determined by RBs, not QBs!

Lol no. It won't "come down to the rush for both teams".

Yeah - there are FAR easier ways to punish that coverage and 'open up the passing lanes' than running Kareem Hunt into it.

Let 'em play quarters -- we'll vivisect that with just a little bit of time to throw.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by BigAl1966

I have yet to see an eagles site where the fans are as fragile or arrogant as chiefs fans here.

You mean how your sub downvotes your own fans who are worried about the game to oblivion? Though I suppose that’s an improvement from how Philly fans beat the shit out of opposing fans or call them racial or gendered slurs.

[FloridaMan88]

They never learn…

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. What matters favors the Chiefs.

HC-Chiefs
QB-Chiefs
Entire coaching staff: Chiefs

Weakest QB and pass rush we’ve faced in our 5 SB’s. I will be really disappointed if they lose this game. It would be because of a ton of self inflicted errors.

Grapes is the weakest QB we've faced and it's not particularly close.

[siberian khatru]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

They never learn…

Aww, after Greeny said all those nice things about the Chiefs the other day, too.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Daniel Jeremiah made an interesting point saying he thinks KC should surprise the Eagles defense by playing with tempo. That way you can wear down the Eagles D-line and confuse their young secondary on the back end. He said forcing them to communicate quickly should be high on Andy's list.

And that's what the media folks don't understand. Most of the Eagles defense haven't played in a superbowl before. Mitchell, Dejean, Carter, Baun, Smith, Milton, Blankenship, Davis, Huff, Rogers etc. So there's an opportunity to really target those guys and test those nerves.

We are dead last playing with tempo in the Mahomes era with a huge gap between us and 31 on the list. It’s something Andy only does when he absolutely has to (like with 8 minutes left in Super Bowl 54. Which uh, hint hint, nudge nudge, it works and works really well).

Andy just loves having unique personnel packages and varying it up with each drive - and to be fair, it’s hard to argue with the results.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup. What matters favors the Chiefs.

HC-Chiefs
QB-Chiefs
Entire coaching staff: Chiefs

Weakest QB and pass rush we’ve faced in our 5 SB’s. I will be really disappointed if they lose this game. It would be because of a ton of self inflicted errors.

We can’t overlook Jalen Carter potentially working Smith and Caliendo getting worked through the game. This has game-wrecking or at the very least, drive stalling potential against our offense and it was this consistent pressure that nearly shut out our offense in the first half of Super Bowl 58.

The 49ers defense had just been trashed against the Packers and Lions, and yet we only managed one touchdown drive in that game, and much of that was the pressure the 49ers could get with 4 down lineman. If their interior creates similar pressure we’ll likely run into similar challenges.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Last year, I kinda talked myself into thinking we could handle the 49ers and would win by at least 7 points. I thought we'd expose their defense and have overall command of the game. That did not happen at all, and it took a muffed punt to get us back in the game.

So yeah, I know we're talking big here, but I refuse to give myself that level of confidence. This is gonna be a close game, probably a 3 point or less game going into the last 2 minutes. That's just how we do it.

Yeah, I feel like blowouts or even two-possession 'comfortable' games are caused by....
...multiple turnovers and quick scores, like pick sixes, scoop/score, starting drives in the red zone
...multiple big time injuries
...the worst refs imaginable
...a game that's just an awful, awful mismatch

The last thing doesn't often happen in the Super Bowl (and usually only the NFCCG in the last couple weekends since that conference is a shitshow of mediocrity).

Then you hope the refs and injuries don't happen.

And then you're left with one team imploding.

And that goes beyond say the Chiefs being up 21-10 in the AFCCG as we saw, or the Chiefs being down 10 in the Super Bowl without possession of the ball, because teams at this stage are usually explosive enough to get back into it.

I'd be ecstatic if they just kept it at arms length in the 2nd half for the most part and the Eagles never have possession with a chance to take the lead... if it's more out of hand than that, the Eagles are either the fakest SB contender ever or have seriously screwed the pooch (and of course the same goes for the Chiefs if they found themselves in the same spot).

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

Last year, I kinda talked myself into thinking we could handle the 49ers and would win by at least 7 points. I thought we'd expose their defense and have overall command of the game. That did not happen at all, and it took a muffed punt to get us back in the game.

So yeah, I know we're talking big here, but I refuse to give myself that level of confidence. This is gonna be a close game, probably a 3 point or less game going into the last 2 minutes. That's just how we do it.

I'm not talking big here at all and i never have before big games. But remember last years team had plenty of problems offensively and they didn't even score in the second half vs the Ravens so those struggles in the SB was just a continuation of previous issues. But this year since Hollywood came back this team has put up 27, 29, 23, 32. They have also got into the redzone five or more times in all of those games and converted 13/21 of those drives. And it would have been more but for some kneeldowns. So I do think this offense is better this year going into the big dance.