Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator

[TLO]

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[RealSNR]

Just draft your CBs. It's not hard to do unless Veach tries to think too creatively like he did last year.

Clark should just hire a big scary dude who will smack Veach upside the head every time he gets the bright idea to reach on some Breeland Speaks mother****er with his top draft choices.

I can see it now. "We really liked Slowpoke Jones as a CB for our team. He's a former offensive lineman, so he will always have a great size advantage against bigger WRs. And the way our board fell, we believed he was the last of his tier, so we did everything possible to move up and grab him. We had our eyes on him the entire time, and one of our goals going into the draft was to make sure we did everything we could do to ensure he ended up a Kansas City Chief"

*big dude shows up*

*pounds Veach's skull into his torso*

*walks away*

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

This.

Veach has clearly demonstrated his modus operandi as a GM. Find highly touted, disappointing players from lesser organizations and trust in superior coaching to get them up to their potential.

Cam Erving, Reggie Ragland, Kelvin Benjamin -- expect more lottery tickets to be purchased for 5-7th rounders. One could even throw Sammie Watkins in there.

Watch KC go for Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard for pennies.

I think it's smart, really. I think you have a better chance of getting a talented but underachieving player on the right track than turning late round talent into a frontline starter. As I've said in regards to Spagnuolo's defensive rankings, sometimes a situation just isn't a good one. Change of scenery can be all the difference.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

This.

Veach has clearly demonstrated his modus operandi as a GM. Find highly touted, disappointing players from lesser organizations and trust in superior coaching to get them up to their potential.

Cam Erving, Reggie Ragland, Kelvin Benjamin -- expect more lottery tickets to be purchased for 5-7th rounders. One could even throw Sammie Watkins in there.

Watch KC go for Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard for pennies.

Sometimes this completely backfires and pretty much ruins the season or at least becomes a huge liability when it fails:

Example: David Amerson

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I got no problem with any of this. I would PREFER to sign Jones but I don't HATE the though of letting it wait.

When the Chiefs have signed extensions to players in the past (and this is pretty customary in the league) the extension is tacked into the end of their current deal, so we will likely still get the cheap years from Jones and Tyreek.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Sometimes this completely backfires and pretty much ruins the season or at least becomes a huge liability when it fails:

Example: David Amerson

The key is to not depend on those players. Only acquire them, throw them in the competition mix, and see what happens.

Erving and Ragland were post-training camp trades. While the positions they played weren't exactly loaded with talent (OL depth and ILB), they were cheap acquisitions that, if they failed, wouldn't **** us over any worse than what we had before they were acquired.

The Amerson story is just a ****ing weird one. He was signed pre-free agency because he was cut by his previous team. This was before the Alex Smith and Marcus Peters trades, so while it may have been the plan all along for us to acquire a starting CB by trading Smith while also getting rid of Peters, I'm pretty sure the move started out as, "Well, let's see what happens." But then we stood pat on the other free agency CBs... we didn't try to bring in other cheap reclamation project guys, and we decided we weren't desperate enough in training camp to sign Bashaud Breeland. And then our idiot GM took a hard pass until the 6th round on all the CB talent in the draft.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

The key is to not depend on those players. Only acquire them, throw them in the competition mix, and see what happens.

Erving and Ragland were post-training camp trades. While the positions they played weren't exactly loaded with talent (OL depth and ILB), they were cheap acquisitions that, if they failed, wouldn't **** us over any worse than what we had before they were acquired.

The Amerson story is just a ****ing weird one. He was signed pre-free agency because he was cut by his previous team. This was before the Alex Smith and Marcus Peters trades, so while it may have been the plan all along for us to acquire a starting CB by trading Smith while also getting rid of Peters, I'm pretty sure the move started out as, "Well, let's see what happens." But then we stood pat on the other free agency CBs... we didn't try to bring in other cheap reclamation project guys, and we decided we weren't desperate enough in training camp to sign Bashaud Breeland. And then our idiot GM took a hard pass until the 6th round on all the CB talent in the draft.

I agree it was weird. Hopefully, Veach has learned his lesson on that front. After one wave of FA and the draft, you need to know you have average starting talent at every spot, or at least a youngster that projects as such.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I agree it was weird. Hopefully, Veach has learned his lesson on that front. After one wave of FA and the draft, you need to know you have average starting talent at every spot, or at least a youngster that projects as such.

Here's another lesson the FRANCHISE needs to learn: When Oakland cuts its CB trash, STAY AWAY. No matter how appealing the potential or the talent or whatever it is that attracts you to that player.

That's twice now in recent memory that we've signed pre-free agency a former starting Oakland CB who got cut because he sucked (Stanford Routt) and said, "Eh, it's probably just because it's the Raiders."

When Oakland sends its players, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending players that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing broke dicks. They’re bringing uncoachable idiots.

And we should NOT assume that some are good players.

[htismaqe]

David Amerson actually WAS a good player though. He was one of the better CBs in the league 3 or so years ago. He's exactly the kind of guy you sign for nothing and hope he can get that back.

The Chiefs mistake wasn't signing Amerson, it was not doing anything as a contingency if it didn't work.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

When Oakland sends its players, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending players that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing broke dicks. They’re bringing uncoachable idiots.
.

But some, I assume, are dicking down OJ's ex-wife.

[Chris Meck]

one thing to consider, is that we have just entered a long window of opportunity with a once-in-a-generation talent at QB. Yes, we have 2 years on his rookie deal, but more important than that is that we need to set up long term organizational health and a plan for player development.

the traditionally expensive positions are QB, pass rusher, CB, LT, WR.
We've got a QB and QR 'bout to get paid. We have an unusual DT talent 'bout to get paid. We've got to figure out what we're going to do with Ford and Houston, one who already got paid, one 'bout to.

CB is a spot where we'll need to draft, develop, and then let them go before we have to pay that huge second contract. Your FA's have to be reclamation projects or less expensive positions.

We've got 3 picks in the first two rounds. Probably one more coming with a Trade and Tag for Ford.

We need a couple of corners and a DE/edge guy in those 3 picks. And they need to be hits.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

But some, I assume, are dicking down OJ's ex-wife.

OJ's ex wife is dead, yo. Way dead. There's movies about it.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

The key is to not depend on those players. Only acquire them, throw them in the competition mix, and see what happens.

Erving and Ragland were post-training camp trades. While the positions they played weren't exactly loaded with talent (OL depth and ILB), they were cheap acquisitions that, if they failed, wouldn't **** us over any worse than what we had before they were acquired.

The Amerson story is just a ****ing weird one. He was signed pre-free agency because he was cut by his previous team. This was before the Alex Smith and Marcus Peters trades, so while it may have been the plan all along for us to acquire a starting CB by trading Smith while also getting rid of Peters, I'm pretty sure the move started out as, "Well, let's see what happens." But then we stood pat on the other free agency CBs... we didn't try to bring in other cheap reclamation project guys, and we decided we weren't desperate enough in training camp to sign Bashaud Breeland. And then our idiot GM took a hard pass until the 6th round on all the CB talent in the draft.

But they have shown patterns of what you just described....

No contingency plan if it does not work. They just acquire a buy low piece and move on to the next or go months completely ignoring an issue until its too late

No contingency for Amerson
No contingency for Berry
No contingency for Hunt offseason issues. (they got bailed out by a scrap heap signing)

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

But they have shown patterns of what you just described....

No contingency plan if it does not work. They just acquire a buy low piece and move on to the next or go months completely ignoring an issue until its too late

No contingency for Amerson
No contingency for Berry
No contingency for Hunt offseason issues. (they got bailed out by a scrap heap signing)

I would actually contend that they had a contingency for Hunt - Williams turned out to be the player they though he was, plus they drafted Williams as well. That's an example of getting it right.

They did draft Watts but he got injured. They obviously didn't do enough.

It's CB where they really screwed up. Signed Amerson and ended up having to replace him with Scandrick because they literally did NOTHING else.

[staylor26]

Lol so when the Chiefs actually did what you want you call it getting bailed out?

They signed Williams, a good #2 in Miami, despite already having Ware.

Also, I don’t get some of you guys obsession with Amerson, considering he never played a down for us in the regular season. They cut him for Scandrick, who was clearly better, and then added Ward who eventually took over and looks like a potential starter (albeit it was too late, but that’s on Sutton IMO)

[The Franchise]

Look at the free agent CBs from that year though.

Malcom Butler, Trumaine Johnson and Kyle Fuller were your top 3. They reportedly offered a deal to Fuller and he signed with the Bears.