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Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM  
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:07 AM   #1546
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He still has an elite trait...his "separation burst". He recieves the ball very well from what little I have seen. I was hoping to see more from him by this point, and I think we will by December, but I imagine a great deal of time, effort, and reps have gone to JSS and MVS, in an attempt to get THESE veterans where they need to be...if it has taken them a few months to produce at a high level, you can imagine how long it takes a rook. Catching punts is mostly confidence...imho it is on the coaches for putting a unconfident player in a position to fail. He should do better, yes, but today's punters are kicking 50 yd knuckleballs and he should have a mental break.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:16 AM   #1547
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He still has an elite trait...his "separation burst". He recieves the ball very well from what little I have seen. I was hoping to see more from him by this point, and I think we will by December, but I imagine a great deal of time, effort, and reps have gone to JSS and MVS, in an attempt to get THESE veterans where they need to be...if it has taken them a few months to produce at a high level, you can imagine how long it takes a rook. Catching punts is mostly confidence...imho it is on the coaches for putting a unconfident player in a position to fail. He should do better, yes, but today's punters are kicking 50 yd knuckleballs and he should have a mental break.
I do like his catch technique. It's like I said about MVS in the other thread - some guys you can watch play and understand why they drop balls. Then with others, their technique is better than their results.

MVS is firmly in the latter camp, IMO. I watch him play and just do not understand why he gets a rep as having stone hands. I think it really does come down to one bad year and one spectacularly bitchy quarterback throwing him the football and then gesticulating wildly when it doesn't go his way.

Watching Moore receive the ball, he does have good catch technique. He should be a really reliable underneath weapon when he figures out the routes and especially when he figures out how to diagnose defenses and work himself into the soft spots in zone coverages (which he simply wouldn't have seen as much due to the lower level of competition he faced in college). If he can start to do that more, he'll see more man matchups where he can use his short area quickness to get open.

I still don't see - at ALL - what Staylor sees with this idea that he's going to be a premier boundary receiver and not a guy who works primarily from the slot. But I still think a Sterling Shepard kind of player can still be had there.

There are things to like - he just has a fair ways to go yet.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:18 AM   #1548
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Moore is the perfect inside/slot WR. He's got a good stab with his hands, pulls the ball in clean, and has pretty good separation in short spaces. The guy was made for the middle of the field, IMO.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:24 AM   #1549
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Moore is the perfect inside/slot WR. He's got a good stab with his hands, pulls the ball in clean, and has pretty good separation in short spaces. The guy was made for the middle of the field, IMO.
If that’s the case, why the hell does KC keep drafting slot WRs and nothing else?
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:26 AM   #1550
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If that’s the case, why the hell does KC keep drafting slot WRs and nothing else?
Because that is the skillset they value. They want versatility at every WR position.
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If that’s the case, why the hell does KC keep drafting slot WRs and nothing else?
Hardman wasn't drafted as a slot. He was drafted as an X, IMO (with Sammy shifting to Z and Hill essentially getting bounced from the league), and it didn't work out the way they'd planned, both in positive and negative ways.

Robinson was a flyer.

Who else have they drafted over the last 5 years that they had any reasonable expectation of success with?

I think the reason they drafted Moore is obvious, especially when combined with the addition of MVS and the continued presence of Hardman. They weren't looking to replace Hill's downfield speed - they found that elsewhere.

They were looking to replace Hill's short area quickness.

It's just a matter of pursuing a skill-set. If they don't retain JJSS and/or Hardman, they'll be pursuing completely different skill-sets in this coming draft.

It's not hard to see what they were trying to do. It's just not the route I'd have gone.
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Old 10-24-2022, 08:29 AM   #1552
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I don't know why you guys can't grasp the concept that this offense takes time to fully digest. That there are multiple reads both pre-snap and post snap for the receivers, and when they're not on the same page, it looks ugly. And THAT is how games like Indy happen.

Moore was never going to step in, be the day one #1 and rack up stats. No rookie would. No, not even Pickens. It was always going to take time.

Even the vets like Juju and MVS are just now starting to fully grasp it.

It's not simply a play drawn up on paper to be memorized. It's fluid, it changes based on what the defense does in real time, and it's not easy to execute those reads and do it WITH Mahomes on the fly.

He'll be fine.
Yup yup.

He's on an Andy Reid coached team, where he slow plays rookies and gives them limited snaps. And who is he supposed to be getting snaps over exactly? Obviously not Kelce, JuJu, or MVS. Maybe Hardman/Watson? How exactly is he supposed to get 50-100 yards a game when he's sharing snaps at the #3/#4 position?

If we had ZERO talent or experience at WR, sure, Moore would probably be starting every game and be given all the snaps. But that's not how our team is structured right now.
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Pickens has played at least 70% of the snaps and they are force feeding him the ball. FFS they are return to rid themselves of Chase Claypool. Much different than Skyy Moore sitting behind Juju, MVS and Hardman.

When Hardman is gone next year I think you’ll see more of Skyy doing the things he did.

But in terms of the draft, no I would not have wanted Pickens in a redraft. I’d have gone with Sam Williams instead
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People are really bitching about not drafting Pickens? Why? So you could be in his thread bitching about the fact that he's not getting targets or starting?
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People are really bitching about not drafting Pickens? Why? So you could be in his thread bitching about the fact that he's not getting targets or starting?
So we could bitch about Skyy Moore getting starts and targets for someone else.
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So ****ing sick of hearing about George ****ing Pickens. Who ****ing cares?
He’ll always be compared to Pickens just like CEH is compared to Taylor and mcduffie to Elam etc
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and maybe less involved in special teams
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dude will bust out - but he's definitely not a plug n play WR - like others in his draft class have proven to be - he'll be fine though (under Andy.)
I wonder how much playing time and/or targets those other rookie WRs would be getting if they were in Reid's offensive system. From everything I've heard, it's a complex system that takes a lot of time to learn, especially for rookies. That, to me is why it is silly to try to make comparisons to other WRs in other systems.
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He’ll always be compared to Pickens just like CEH is compared to Taylor and mcduffie to Elam etc
And understandably so. I don’t compare McDuffie to Elam because I absolutely trust their scouting at CB.

WR/RB is a different story. Until proven otherwise their track record suggests they take players with limited skill sets to fill niche roles instead of just drafting elite talent on offense.
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