Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez

[Hammock Parties]

Suck it, haters. Suck the choco-penii of destiny, feel it's power. It could have been ours.

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CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We have Alex ****ing Smith as our quarterback. It wouldn't matter if we had Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Mike Webster, Will Shields, and Orlando Pace as our OL. He still sucks.

These Kool-Aid drinkers would have you believe otherwise.

[BossChief]

In the last two years, Alex Smith has had the best line in footbLl and still got sacked 66 times in as many pass attempts as Andy Reids Eagles attempted just last year.

Think about that.

66 sacks with the best line in the league.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

It starts and ends at quarterback. Period.

I've always looked at it like the QB and the OL were a unit together.

You need an OL so you're QB has time to throw. You need a QB to make the throws that the line is protecting him to make.

When those two things work in concert, that's when you get some good Offensive flow going.

Now the scales can tip. Aaron Rodgers makes up for A LOT of deficiencies along his Offensive line. While a guy like Smitty, If you give him a good solid line he can shine.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

We have Alex ****ing Smith as our quarterback. It wouldn't matter if we had Anthony Munoz, John Hannah, Mike Webster, Will Shields, and Orlando Pace as our OL. He still sucks.

Hes the best we could get.
I guess it would be stupid to try and actually put him in position to succeed.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

In the last two years, Alex Smith has had the best line in footbLl and still got sacked 66 times in as many pass attempts as Andy Reids Eagles attempted just last year.

Think about that.

66 sacks with the best line in the league.

Yea....he's gonna take those sacks. That's just kind of what he does.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Hes the best we could get.
I guess it would be stupid to try and actually put him in position to succeed.

No he was not the best we could get.

THAT IS ****ING HORSE SHIT AND I'M TIRED OF ****ING HEARING IT.

[Simply Red]

six win season.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

No he was not the best we could get.

THAT IS ****ING HORSE SHIT AND I'M TIRED OF ****ING HEARING IT.

Who should be the 2013 Chiefs QB?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

The game is changing/has changed.
The RT is no longer considered a lumbering oaf.
The era of the QB and multiple pass rushers have changed many positions. Not just RT.

List the teams that have two high quality pass rushers.

Once you are done, realize that we spent the top pick in the draft to "counter" the second best guy on those lists.

Now, realize how bad our receivers are and think how much more explosive our offense could be if we had just kept Winston at RT, traded down a few spots and took Tavon Austin to play across from Bowe and in the slot with Avery out wide.

I dont know how anyone can think what we did is better, but time will tell.

Like I've said a few times already, I hope I'm wrong this time.

[007]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

The only one that matters.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who should be the 2013 Chiefs QB?

Kevin Kolb
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jason Campbell

with Matt Barkley waiting in the wings for the second half.

Same results we will see with them as we will with Alex Smith.

[Brando]

Originally Posted by Clayton Bibsby

Hey Brando, it's not like Geno can't improve because you know, every QB coming out of college stays the same. That's logical.

+REP stonedstooge! Dane got curb stomped

Not saying he can't just simply pointing out that he has trouble with pressure, holds the ball too long and wasn't worth the first pick.

Bill Parcels, Sean Payton and Bill Polian all went to bat for Marrone. I have watched him take mediocre talent and make it look great at times. The fact that he shut down Geno 3x's and coached against him more than anyone else in the college ranks, then passed on him in the draft for EJ Manuel speaks volumes.

I take Doug Marrone, Andy Reid and John Dorsey's opinion over a bunch of message board experts any day.

Let's see how this plays out, however I'm confident that I'll be able to come back in several months and years and say I told you so.

Countdown until you guys start saying that the Jets ruined him.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by BossChief

In the last two years, Alex Smith has had the best line in footbLl and still got sacked 66 times in as many pass attempts as Andy Reids Eagles attempted just last year.

Think about that.

66 sacks with the best line in the league.

Best run blocking line.
PFF has them rated 7 in pass blocking and PFO has them at 29th. In pass blocking.
The fact that he gets sacked that much could also give credence to the thinking that pass blockers may be a very important piece that Reid and Dorsey knew they would need....
Im just playing the new regimes advocate.
Im sick of seeing all these ****ing cry baby threads about about Geno.
Half the people here will be smiling if we lose and Geno wins.
Those people can suck my dick.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Who should be the 2013 Chiefs QB?

Let's say we took Geno/Manuel/Glennon/etc and he busts.

Wouldn't it be safe to say we would be in position to try again in the next 2 years then?

Bridgewater or Murray, then...if Geno//// ends the season strong and we don't win a lot of games, then we would be in position to take Clowney or another QB.

Either would be superior to Alex Smith and there would still be the chance of one of those guys hitting their upside and winning a championship for us.

[Brando]

Chandler Jones says, "Geno twice a year? Yum!"