Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 10

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Molitoth · 09-10-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

There were reports that Vrabel was about the most unfriendly guy in the locker room, and was never any kind of team player..

Can you blame him? He went from the Pats to rebuilding Chiefs.
See Randy Moss.

Nobody would be glad getting traded from Champion to shitfest.

Except Cassel, whom got to fulfill his dream of casting an illusion over a GM and a good percentage of the chiefs idiotic fanbase.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

****ing excuse me?

No he didn't.

He didn't make the move from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB just like Hali did? That wasn't part of the reason Pioli wanted him in the trade?

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

There were reports that Vrabel was about the most unfriendly guy in the locker room, and was never any kind of team player..

Then why did the players vote him captain twice? He looked like a leader on Sundays to me...

Molitoth · 09-10-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Then why did the players vote him captain twice? He looked like a leader on Sundays to me...

Why is the american public voting for Obama or Romney?

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He didn't make the move from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB just like Hali did? That wasn't part of the reason Pioli wanted him in the trade?

So in your ****ed up head.....that means that Vrabel showed Hali how to make the transition?

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 01:56 PM

Oh...and in response to your neg rep message...

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I went 2-4 yesterday. Bowe was a none factor and DJ missed a tackle at 10:02 in the 2nd. McCluster looked quicker to me too but, that's just speculation LOL

Bowe was a non-factor because Cassel never looked past the TEs or McCluster.

What did Siler do again?

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

So in your ****ed up head.....that means that Vrabel showed Hali how to make the transition?

He helped dumbass. I said he helped. Hali's transformation was one of the keys to turing things around when Pioli got the job, no? Vrabel was brought in to be a leader and help Hali transition.

Also, the locker room reports were bullshit.

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He endured daily “old man” jokes and took plenty of flack for his bizarre styling of facial hair. Vrabel even saw the nameplate over his locker replaced with “Jerry Atricks” midway through the 2010 season.

He never removed it.

But make no mistake. When it came down to learning what it takes to be a successful NFL player, there were no jokes. Vrabel was the center of attention and his teammates were always listening.

The way Vrabel gained respect was simple. Plenty of aging players can pull out a resume of past success, but Vrabel lived it every day.

Vrabel knew just as much as anyone else that the game would eventually pass him by. It was only a matter of time before a younger, quicker, stronger, new generation of football player unseated Vrabel as a starter.

Instead of shying away from competition, Vrabel embraced it.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...3-d495c4cbb17f

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Oh...and in response to your neg rep message...

Bowe was a non-factor because Cassel never looked past the TEs or McCluster.

What did Siler do again?

He didn't look at Bowe because he knew he was covered. Don't worry, we still get Champ twice and Joe Haden late in the year. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing for Bowe this year. It's hands down the easiest CB schedule he's ever faced.

Siler didn't miss a tackle like DJ did. I know that much. It might have been better if he had started.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He helped dumbass. I said he helped. Hali's transformation was one of the keys to turing things around when Pioli got the job, no? Vrabel was brought in to be a leader and help Hali transition.

Also, the locker room reports were bullshit.

Show me where he specifically helped out Hali. All it says in the article is this...

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He worked daily in developing Andy Studebaker, a mid-20s ball of energy that continually pushed the veteran for playing time. At the time of his arrival, Vrabel was the only outside linebacker on the Chiefs roster with any experience at the position. Everyone else was a converted defensive end.

Yeah.....I'm so glad he rubbed off on Studebaker. You know....the OLB that shouldn't be on the field.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He didn't look at Bowe because he knew he was covered. Don't worry, we still get Champ twice and Joe Haden late in the year. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing for Bowe this year. It's hands down the easiest CB schedule he's ever faced.

Siler didn't miss a tackle like DJ did. I know that much. It might have been better if he had started.

Yeah it's easy to never miss a tackle when you're never on the field to attempt one.

Fish · 09-10-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He didn't look at Bowe because he knew he was covered.

Quite an impressive feat. Also explains a lot...

NJChiefsFan · 09-10-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

He didn't look at Bowe because he knew he was covered. Don't worry, we still get Champ twice and Joe Haden late in the year. Other than that, it should be smooth sailing for Bowe this year. It's hands down the easiest CB schedule he's ever faced.

Siler didn't miss a tackle like DJ did. I know that much. It might have been better if he had started.

You got a lot of things wrong yesterday. Perhaps not talking about what you got right would be wise. Not to mention that nobody denied the fact that DJ could miss a tackle during the game. You yourself said every LB will.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Show me where he specifically helped out Hali. All it says in the article is this...

How about you just add it to your list man?

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

You got a lot of things wrong yesterday. Perhaps not talking about what you got right would be wise. Not to mention that nobody denied the fact that DJ could miss a tackle during the game. You yourself said every LB will.

I'm not starting it. There is alot more that pertains to this conversation that I got right that I am not even going to get into. That's not my style. The bottom line is that my only mistake is being an idiot for falling into Pest's trap and talking football with him.

**The Franchise** · 09-10-2012, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

How about you just add it to your list man?

I'm not starting it. There is alot more that pertains to this conversation that I got right that I am not even going to get into. That's not my style. The bottom line is that my only mistake is being an idiot for falling into Pest's trap and talking football with him.

How about you back up the bullshit that you spout off about?

Show me where Vrabel helped Hali.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

How about you back up the bullshit that you spout off about?

Show me where Vrabel helped Hali.

Not yet. You have to ask me nicely.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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