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Old 05-21-2023, 10:00 PM  
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Carolina really traded it all for this
I can’t believe how tiny this guy is. At least Russell Wilson had a thick body frame. Bryce is short and lanky.

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Old 09-21-2024, 05:04 PM   #136
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Said this during the '23 preseason before he ever played a regular season down. You could just tell he didn't belong out there with real NFL players.

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I see absolutely no way that Bryce Young becomes an above-average NFL QB. Maybe I’ll be spectacularly wrong, but I just don’t see it.
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Old 09-21-2024, 08:46 PM   #137
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Based on everything I can find, Young measured 5’10 & 1/8” at the combine. That’s the exact same height as Kyler and half an inch shorter than Russell Wilson.

You mention Flutie and, tbh, I’d be surprised if Brees measured higher than 5’11” by his late 2010 seasons.

I’m not really sure height or weight are the culprits here.
Flutie wasn't that great. His career was under 55% and he struggled most of the time with TD:INT ratio. He really only had one legitimately solid season in his entire career. He's just a nice story coming from the CFL and being small but it certainly doesn't make him good.

Kyler and Russell are legitimately 25-30 pounds heavier than Midget. Midget artificially inflated his weight, which he can't carry, for the combine.

Not only does the real weight matter but the arm strength. Kyler and Russell have way stronger arms than Young. They can make those off-platform throws you have to make if you're short and can't make traditional throws over the top.

Flutie is the best Young could ever hope to be and I just don't see it.
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Old 09-22-2024, 11:27 AM   #138
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Flutie wasn't that great. His career was under 55% and he struggled most of the time with TD:INT ratio. He really only had one legitimately solid season in his entire career. He's just a nice story coming from the CFL and being small but it certainly doesn't make him good.

Kyler and Russell are legitimately 25-30 pounds heavier than Midget. Midget artificially inflated his weight, which he can't carry, for the combine.

Not only does the real weight matter but the arm strength. Kyler and Russell have way stronger arms than Young. They can make those off-platform throws you have to make if you're short and can't make traditional throws over the top.

Flutie is the best Young could ever hope to be and I just don't see it.
Sure, but 55% completion back in those days wasn’t terrible. For reference, Elway was just under 57% and Marino ended his career at 59%.

I’m not saying he was great, but you don’t stick around the league for that long if you’re truly terrible.

It may be a combination of factors for Young. I’m just not sure the reason for the difference in performance between Bryce Young and Drew Brees, who was also short, slight and had a relatively weak arm, is just an inch’s worth of height.
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Old 09-22-2024, 01:10 PM   #139
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Flutie wasn't that great. His career was under 55% and he struggled most of the time with TD:INT ratio. He really only had one legitimately solid season in his entire career. He's just a nice story coming from the CFL and being small but it certainly doesn't make him good.

Kyler and Russell are legitimately 25-30 pounds heavier than Midget. Midget artificially inflated his weight, which he can't carry, for the combine.

Not only does the real weight matter but the arm strength. Kyler and Russell have way stronger arms than Young. They can make those off-platform throws you have to make if you're short and can't make traditional throws over the top.

Flutie is the best Young could ever hope to be and I just don't see it.
So how bad will this pick end up being in a historical sense?
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Old 09-22-2024, 04:22 PM   #140
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Sure, but 55% completion back in those days wasn’t terrible. For reference, Elway was just under 57% and Marino ended his career at 59%.

I’m not saying he was great, but you don’t stick around the league for that long if you’re truly terrible.

It may be a combination of factors for Young. I’m just not sure the reason for the difference in performance between Bryce Young and Drew Brees, who was also short, slight and had a relatively weak arm, is just an inch’s worth of height.
Good point on Elway. I tend to remember the latter half of Elway's career over the first half which were significantly different. Of course, Flutie came back to the NFL pretty much when Elway was done and things were already changing. Elway's completion percentage was much higher in that last half. You think that by 1998, half the QBs in the league were starting to hit 60% regularly.

Flutie wasn't terrible, I just don't know about the words good or one of one.

Midget on the other hand, so far looks every bit of terrible.
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Old 09-22-2024, 04:41 PM   #141
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So how bad will this pick end up being in a historical sense?
Well Andy Dalton just put up 300 yards and 3 scores so....really bad.
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Old 09-22-2024, 05:17 PM   #142
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So how bad will this pick end up being in a historical sense?
It's an all timer. Worse than Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell. Up there with Trey Lance, but maybe worse. It's not just how spectacularly he busted, but also the huge haul of draft picks AND giving up DJ Moore to get him. Set this franchise back years. This might go down as the worst draft pick ever.
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Old 09-22-2024, 05:24 PM   #143
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Old 09-22-2024, 07:55 PM   #144
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Well Andy Dalton just put up 300 yards and 3 scores so....really bad.
i saw that score and immediately thought, "how the hell bad is Bryce Young?"

Jesus. Dalton was washed 5 years ago.
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About Watson's second year, when everyone was blaming his OL, I watched him play a couple games and said "Hey guys, you realize that Watson is KILLING his OL, right?"

It was pretty apparent early on that Watson was getting a whole bunch of excuses made for him that just didn't check out upon actual observation.
I got sooo much shit for stating what should have been obvious to everyone.

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Good point on Elway. I tend to remember the latter half of Elway's career over the first half which were significantly different. Of course, Flutie came back to the NFL pretty much when Elway was done and things were already changing. Elway's completion percentage was much higher in that last half. You think that by 1998, half the QBs in the league were starting to hit 60% regularly.

Flutie wasn't terrible, I just don't know about the words good or one of one.

Midget on the other hand, so far looks every bit of terrible.
Yeah, Bryce looks terribad.

Andy Dalton making them look respectable certainly isn’t a good look for Young.
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Maybe the Panthers did genetic testing and figured out that he's still growing. He'll end up being 6-6 or something.
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I got sooo much shit for stating what should have been obvious to everyone.

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Me too.

People were talking about how AWESOME Watson was, and I was looking at the 'highlights' and seeing almost exclusively 50/50 jump balls to Deandre Hopkins. To me, it was HOPKINS that looked great, not Watson. Watson looked like he was just arm punting the ball down to Hopkins any time it was 1 on 1.

There's just no way that's sustainable, I thought.
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Bryce is gonna ball. He’s a qb. What’s the concern with injury? Qbs don’t get hit anymore. Just be smart and he will be fine. He’s got low end Pat mahomes ability. Don’t sleep on Bryce.
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